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'Serenity'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Typo Boy - Oct 02, 2013 12:42:26 pm PDT #23212 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

To go back a day to ita !'s comment about Sleepy Hollow. There an actual Mohawk Community Center about a 2.5 hour drive from Tarrytown NY [link] I'll bet using the siren the Ichabod and Abbey could have made it there in an hour.

The "spiritual leader" of that community actual Mohawk Shaman. With a really impressive CV. Http://www.mohawkcommunity.com/tomscorner.html

If that did not work, they cold have moved the reservation and community center closer to Tarrytown. While they were at it they could have done a few more minutes of internet seaches to get more authentic information about Mohawk Shamanism (which does in fact have a huge component centered around dreams).


§ ita § - Oct 02, 2013 12:50:31 pm PDT #23213 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

    • They named the Iroquois tribe
    • Abby didn't look anything up--she knew who was a shaman when Ichabod said he needed one
    • The Mohawks traditionally live in wigwams not teepees

I have never said there's anything wrong with using a given non-Anglo culture in a story (that would be pushy of me). I did say they were wrong enough for this Unamerican to spot it, and they also did the 1st convenient ethnic accessory magical minority member thing.


Ginger - Oct 02, 2013 12:55:12 pm PDT #23214 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Mohawks are Iroquois. Mohawk is one the nations in the Iroquois League.


Typo Boy - Oct 02, 2013 12:56:13 pm PDT #23215 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I was not criticizing you. I was backing up your point. I was pointing out the writers could have done five minutes of research and avoided the problem you pointed out.


Dana - Oct 02, 2013 12:57:18 pm PDT #23216 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Despite the magical Native American bullshit, I was pleased to see that so many of the speaking roles in that episode were non-white women. The therapist, the paramedic, Abbie and Jenny. Then there's John Cho, Orlando Jones, and I think the guy who's Abbie's ex is Latino. It's a very non-white show.


§ ita § - Oct 02, 2013 1:01:55 pm PDT #23217 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Mohawks are Iroquois. Mohawk is one the nations in the Iroquois League.

My ignorance is showing!

I was pointing out the writers could have done five minutes of research and avoided the problem you pointed out.

Ah, I thought you meant the characters had done research. My apologies.


Theodosia - Oct 02, 2013 1:33:17 pm PDT #23218 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

If I were writing it, I'd have Abby approaching the shaman/car dealer with, "Hey, John, remember how you used to tell me about Mohawk hoodoo back in high school?"

Shaman/Car Dealer: "Yeah...."

Abby: "Well, I was wondering... if you know a guy who'd know something about that. I, um, have some questions."

Shaman/Car Dealer: "Well... actually -- oh hell, just follow me to the damn sweat lodge already. I'll fill you in on the way."

(pause)

"By the way, how do you feel about anthropods?"


Connie Neil - Oct 02, 2013 4:40:10 pm PDT #23219 of 30001
brillig

I can see a scene about hunting down a shaman being the first thing to go, though, when editing a script.


Typo Boy - Oct 02, 2013 5:18:37 pm PDT #23220 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

You could have shown it coming up in a Google search in the same 30 seconds it took Abby to tell Crane the Shaman would not be what he expected. It could have been a very funny scene if it was Crane googling Mohawk Shaman New York (it actually takes more than that to yield the result I found, but as you point out it has to move quickly) and then say "This Google you showed me is truly a wondrous thing". If they needed the time, the could have cut out the clumsy "Crane was righteous when it came to Native America rights" dialog. Or given that this would have eliminated the whole Geronimotors thing, they could have had the Shaman not need to to brought up to speed.

"We are here for ..." "I know. It was told to me. You will have to go into a special guided sleep. We don't have a sweat lodge here, but there is a hot tub in the physical therapy room that is not in use at the moment, so that will have to do. "

The showrunner should totally hire me as a consultant.


Juliebird - Oct 02, 2013 5:27:21 pm PDT #23221 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Were those tents belonging to the Mohawks? I'd assumed that they were in an American/Colonial camp and the Native American's were the guests. Because, y'know, tents.