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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Tom Scola - Oct 01, 2013 4:16:13 am PDT #23196 of 30001
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§ ita § - Oct 01, 2013 5:05:58 am PDT #23197 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Those were not teepees, they were tents.

I am referring to the word teepee that was used more than once in the episode. Also they had these [link] in the flashback scenes, but if you say they aren't teepees, I take your word for it. QI told me those structures were west too.

How did a woman who didn't believe in the supernatural two weeks ago know, without research or pausing to think about it, that the guy selling cars with a carefully maintained slick persona and a history of destroying the environment also had sleep tea and magic scorpions in back of his...his whatever?

it's not like Buffy did much better

No, Buffy was pretty bad at it. But at least they were doing a story that focussed on white people's reactions to events, which bothered me less. I did think of Wonderfalls, though, during this ep.


beekaytee - Oct 01, 2013 5:09:49 am PDT #23198 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

(Of course, I also complained when in the Daniel Day-Lewis Last of the Mohicans they were scrambling through the forests of the Carolinas with their different plants and trees, not the ones you'd find in Connecticut, so I'm... picky.)

I took my aged surrogate dad to see Last of the Mohicans thinking he would love it. He was an inveterate camper and scientist. He hated it and kept shouting things like "No long guns in the woods you idiots!"

He grumbled endlessly about the wrong landscape as well.

I'm amazed when people know stuff like that. I'm obviously the target, simple-minded audience who spends all my time focusing on the people.

Speaking of that, while I get, and am edified, by the argument about the offensive tropes mentioned here...does _any_ tv do it better?

If fictional characters don't stumble across the right people with the absurd props, how does the story advance?


Polter-Cow - Oct 01, 2013 5:13:07 am PDT #23199 of 30001
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§ ita § - Oct 01, 2013 5:20:20 am PDT #23200 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If fictional characters don't stumble across the right people with the absurd props, how does the story advance?

Since what's offending me most right now is that the first ethnic person you find is the right ethnic person you need (implying we're all mystical and interchangeable), that's pretty easy to fix.

If you call what the Native Americans in the area lived in by the right names, you've gone another way to clearing up my irritation. Filming where you're filming is a long-time issue--what can you do about that? But if the Iroquois don't live in teepees (or tipis) then just do them the respect of putting them in the right structures!

That's not that complicated. It's not like the first white person you stumble across usually has the answer to your problem--either you research, or you investigate multiple white people. Why does that change when the culture changes?


beekaytee - Oct 01, 2013 5:42:03 am PDT #23201 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Fair point.

I guess I am so lulled by the omnipotence of so many characters, I just expect...and not in a good way...that the 'oh of course you know everything the hero needs instantly' moment is inevitable.

Though this does bring me to a prompt for research that I really shouldn't indulge in right now...how often are the all-knowing, super-useful characters actually women?

Hm.

The issue of inadequate research has become so aggravating that I came to a point long ago where I expect everything to be wrong, on some level, all the time. I am not proud of that giving up.


§ ita § - Oct 01, 2013 6:06:34 am PDT #23202 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the 'oh of course you know everything the hero needs instantly' moment is inevitable

But dead end interviews (with non-ethnic types) and research sessions are staples of the genre. However, if you nip into the nearest sushi restaurant, you can find a waiter to bless your sword for the spirit you need to defeat.


beekaytee - Oct 01, 2013 6:21:26 am PDT #23203 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Yeah, I can totally see that. Now, I'll never unsee it.


EpicTangent - Oct 01, 2013 7:45:38 am PDT #23204 of 30001
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I'm amazed when people know stuff like that. I'm obviously the target, simple-minded audience who spends all my time focusing on the people.

This is usually me, though last night's was so bad that even I caught it. How hard would it have been to have him recognize the name of the scary monster and send them to someone else (old shaman or wise woman who was a friend of his grandmother is a handy trope that comes to mind). But instead the guy who names his car lot "Geronimotors" (with animated "tomahawk" on the sign), is also the guy who gets insulted regarding questions of folklore of his people? And also the guy who happens to know the random mystical ritual? It's like they had at least 3 different Native Americans in mind, but had the same guy play all three of them. Really lazy writing (or whoever is to blame if not the writers).


§ ita § - Oct 01, 2013 8:14:09 am PDT #23205 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"I'm sorry, only one guy who could pass for Native American (he's Chinese Persian) showed up to audition. We had better intentions, honest."