God, I thought Tom was better than that, you know?
Angel: Yeah, I never told anyone about this, but I-I liked your poems. Spike: You like Barry Manilow.
'Hell Bound'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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§ ita § - Jul 19, 2013 11:11:54 am PDT #22872 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Tom Scola - Jul 19, 2013 11:13:44 am PDT #22873 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
Stupid Nick site.
le nubian - Jul 19, 2013 11:14:40 am PDT #22874 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
yeah, you can blame the site all you want, we know what you did.
Steph L. - Jul 19, 2013 11:14:52 am PDT #22875 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Scola reveals his dark side. Daaaaang.
Dana - Jul 19, 2013 11:18:07 am PDT #22876 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Work wouldn't let me load the other site, but that one worked. Yay! How beautiful.
§ ita § - Jul 19, 2013 5:18:24 pm PDT #22877 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
II was beyond pleased to see that the Scott-is-alpha-without-a-wolfpack things play out. The one Teen Wolf fan I have on any of my dashes, though, is struggling against people who are saying that Scott is an awful person and doesn't deserve this, meanwhile Derek is shitting rainbows.
I was not happy to see Boyd forgive Derek. I think Derek was *awful*. Grabbing three vulnerable teens, claiming all this "choice" thing for kids not legal to fuck or drink or vote, and, perhaps apart from the sorely underwritten Boyd, exploiting some really damaged people to get whatever he thought he needed--he's not just an incompetent, he's not good or nice. I don't understand the appeal other than how he fills out jeans (which is considerable--don't get me wrong).
I don't have enough energy to hunt down the Scott-didn't-earn-it meta, but Derek didn't earn anything--he went out and created the situation that made him an alpha. It wasn't a reward, it was a (dubious DUBIOUS) choice, And now two kids don't graduate, never mind go home to their families. The "blood on his hands" was way too literal for me, but I don't get how anyone can analytically be arguing for Derek so far.
Scott ran a plan of his own to beat the kanima/hunter thing? Yeah, I think it's weird he didn't tell Stiles, but I don't think it was shitty behaviour, not on a scale of 1 to Derek, anyway.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 20, 2013 12:07:28 am PDT #22878 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Well, the shitiness was in his plan involving taking a helpless Derek and forcing him to turn someone into a werewolf after pretending to be loyal to him and infiltrating the pack for Gerard, but I don't think he owes Stiles an apology over not clearing the plan with him first. Homeslice is assuming a lot of authority that no one's actually given him with regard to fighting evil/amateur sleuthing.
Derek's my favorite character, but that's because he hits the same mysterious/sinister-but-gorgeous-dick-lurking-on-the-periphery-of-the-high-school-heroes'-circle buttons that Angel installed in me 16 years ago. I can't imagine anyone comparing him to Scott and thinking the latter comes off as the morally questionable one in general.
Strix - Jul 20, 2013 12:58:19 am PDT #22879 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger
So Tatiana Maslany didn't get an Emmy nom. I'm surprisingly annoyed (if not very surprised).
WHAT? She is superlative!
§ ita § - Jul 20, 2013 6:25:52 am PDT #22880 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
after pretending to be loyal to him and infiltrating the pack for Gerard
But he so clearly wasn't loyal to Gerard I really didn't even consider this an issue. Derek had a focal role in the plan should have been told, ideally. However, he is also a moron, and I don't now how many plans would be improved by having him in on them. His turn at Miguel convinced me he is not convincing.
If turning someone is a personal intimate sort of act that it's violating to have forced upon you, then it's pretty awful to drop someone on his claws. Since Scott didn't leave him with a pack member or responsibilities or anything, but was doing it to kill/neutralise a raging madman (and in the process save my life), I'd be somewhere at the YOU COULDN'T FUCKING HAVE SAID SOMETHING, MATE??? stage of anger, and if anyone pointed out I wasn't reliable or trustworthy and was now maxing and relaxing with a guy that had tried to kill you I might have to follow up with storming out of the room rather than trying to argue my point.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 20, 2013 8:15:53 am PDT #22881 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Derek does have pretty poor tactical judgement, aside from being fairly good at the actual hand-to-hand combat once engaged in an ill-advised confrontation. I know that in his shoes I'd have been a bit more proactive, and perhaps dealt with that warehouse situation by chucking heavy steel equipment at Gerard rather than concentrating on duking it out with the kanima. Or, failing that, since he was clearly still in control of his jaw muscles for talking, instead of resisting the bite I'd have clamped down to the bone and worried it ragged so Gerard would bleed out before he could turn. No MOUNTAAAAIIIINNNN AAAAAAASSSSSHHHHH! required.