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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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Scola reveals his dark side. Daaaaang.
Work wouldn't let me load the other site, but that one worked. Yay! How beautiful.
II was beyond pleased to see that the Scott-is-alpha-without-a-wolfpack things play out. The one Teen Wolf fan I have on any of my dashes, though, is struggling against people who are saying that Scott is an awful person and doesn't deserve this, meanwhile Derek is shitting rainbows.
I was not happy to see Boyd forgive Derek. I think Derek was *awful*. Grabbing three vulnerable teens, claiming all this "choice" thing for kids not legal to fuck or drink or vote, and, perhaps apart from the sorely underwritten Boyd, exploiting some really damaged people to get whatever he thought he needed--he's not just an incompetent, he's not good or nice. I don't understand the appeal other than how he fills out jeans (which is considerable--don't get me wrong).
I don't have enough energy to hunt down the Scott-didn't-earn-it meta, but Derek didn't earn anything--he went out and created the situation that made him an alpha. It wasn't a reward, it was a (dubious DUBIOUS) choice, And now two kids don't graduate, never mind go home to their families. The "blood on his hands" was way too literal for me, but I don't get how anyone can analytically be arguing for Derek so far.
Scott ran a plan of his own to beat the kanima/hunter thing? Yeah, I think it's weird he didn't tell Stiles, but I don't think it was shitty behaviour, not on a scale of 1 to Derek, anyway.
Well, the shitiness was in his plan involving taking a helpless Derek and forcing him to turn someone into a werewolf after pretending to be loyal to him and infiltrating the pack for Gerard, but I don't think he owes Stiles an apology over not clearing the plan with him first. Homeslice is assuming a lot of authority that no one's actually given him with regard to fighting evil/amateur sleuthing.
Derek's my favorite character, but that's because he hits the same mysterious/sinister-but-gorgeous-dick-lurking-on-the-periphery-of-the-high-school-heroes'-circle buttons that Angel installed in me 16 years ago. I can't imagine anyone comparing him to Scott and thinking the latter comes off as the morally questionable one in general.
So Tatiana Maslany didn't get an Emmy nom. I'm surprisingly annoyed (if not very surprised).
WHAT? She is superlative!
after pretending to be loyal to him and infiltrating the pack for Gerard
But he so clearly wasn't loyal to Gerard I really didn't even consider this an issue. Derek had a focal role in the plan should have been told, ideally. However, he is also a moron, and I don't now how many plans would be improved by having him in on them. His turn at Miguel convinced me he is not convincing.
If turning someone is a personal intimate sort of act that it's violating to have forced upon you, then it's pretty awful to drop someone on his claws. Since Scott didn't leave him with a pack member or responsibilities or anything, but was doing it to kill/neutralise a raging madman (and in the process save my life), I'd be somewhere at the YOU COULDN'T FUCKING HAVE SAID SOMETHING, MATE??? stage of anger, and if anyone pointed out I wasn't reliable or trustworthy and was now maxing and relaxing with a guy that had tried to kill you I might have to follow up with storming out of the room rather than trying to argue my point.
Derek does have pretty poor tactical judgement, aside from being fairly good at the actual hand-to-hand combat once engaged in an ill-advised confrontation. I know that in his shoes I'd have been a bit more proactive, and perhaps dealt with that warehouse situation by chucking heavy steel equipment at Gerard rather than concentrating on duking it out with the kanima. Or, failing that, since he was clearly still in control of his jaw muscles for talking, instead of resisting the bite I'd have clamped down to the bone and worried it ragged so Gerard would bleed out before he could turn. No MOUNTAAAAIIIINNNN AAAAAAASSSSSHHHHH! required.
So, Zero Hour is totally low rent Davinci Code, and nothing that ridiculous should also be that boring, BUT making the bad guys' goal bringing about the end of the world by cloning Jesus (from blood retrieved from beetles that ate the True Cross, no less) is kind of brilliant.
So I kind of read some of the Teen Wolf meta. Scott is an awful person, all the decisions he makes lead to awful, he's not paying his dues, AND JUMPING HIM AHEAD OF THE LINE IS AKING TO MANIFEST DESTINY since he's been chosen by a prophecy to lead werewolferdom based on nothing material or traditional.
I liked this bit:
he’s becoming an alpha not because of a prophecy (like where the fuck is this prophecy i want a fucking receipt) but because he inspires loyalty through kindness and empathy
he’s not actively refusing to learn, he is actively choosing to avoid his attacker. WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE SINCE DEREK BASICALLY RUIND HIS LIFE.
This is offensive because it is being told that by the way this kid is better suited to be a werewolf leader than anyone else, it happens once in a blue moon because it’s so trite. If Scott tried hard and did his best to be the best werewolf and save the world and learn werewolf history and found a ritual that would save everyone and the only cost was his becoming an alpha - something he blatantly doesn’t want - then there is a case to be made.
But simply giving him alphadom because he’s better - that is like saying your tribal chief/village leader/kingdom needs to be ruled by a complete stranger because they were chosen by god according to someone else that has nothing to do with you.
im going to address this specifically because w o w what bullshit
what offensive bullshit
maybe you are reading some extratextual material or have some behind the scenes information but the last time i checked werewolfism was not a culture. its not an ethnicity. its not a nation that scott is invading. scott didnt show up one day and say ‘lo ye uncivilized brutes allow me to show mine own way. look to me and you will be led to a straight path.’
which is what colonizers do.
scott was dragged into werewolf town kicking and screaming against his will. he refuses to kill people because he is a teenage boy. he is not shunning or perverting a culture or attempting to rewrite a mythos or refusing to engage in rituals. he is literally trying to pass school, go to college, and stay alive without committing murder.
he is better than derek, and the narrative thinks he’s better than derek and is rewarding him because he is empathetic, and kind, and really wonderful. he doesn’t want to kill people and when he looks for alternatives it is usually AN ALTERNATIVE TO MURDER.
like i get that tw fandom has a serious hard on for inferior tyler and they really are doing some mental acrobatics to elevate him or whatever
but at least read the fucking text right and understand what theories your applying
and i like idk i dont want to be a academic snob because thats a shitty thing to do but COLONIALISM MATTERS TO ME AS A PERSON FROM A POST COLONIZED COUNTRY and you are wrong about everything and you’re doing it wrong and you’re reading the text wrong and you have clearly never read edward said or fanon WHICH IS OKAY except that now you are shitting over a good century’s worth of hard academic work meant to liberate an actual colonized people so you can like
wet your white dude boner on this show
and im not really here for that
I have to admit--stories can totally put a POC in a position of coloniser/manifest destiny etc, but a) this is not it and b) please make sure your shit is WATERTIGHT with every aspect of meta and canon, because a bunch of people who take tossing that around a little more personally are going to go off on that shit.