Spike: We got a history, him and me. Fred: What? Spike: It was a long time ago. He was a young Watcher, fresh out of the academy when we crossed paths. It was a, what-you-call battle of wills and blood was spilled. Vendettas were sworn. It was a whole-- Fred: My God you're so full of crap. Spike: Yeah. Okay.

'Unleashed'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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le nubian - Nov 13, 2012 9:30:50 am PST #21672 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Spoilers for the graphic novel and Rick's characterization (not plot points): Beau was telling me that he liked Sunday night's ep because there is a point in the graphic novel where Rick's behavior is a bit unstable and another member of the group takes up the leadership mantel. So he was pleased that they seem to be keeping that dynamic.

Problem is that they didn't give this progression much time. Shane was alive too long and so Rick really didn't come into his own for very long, so if the above is where they are going, they didn't give the narrative threads proper time for development.


Polter-Cow - Nov 13, 2012 9:46:21 am PST #21673 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm only on volume 8, but, yeah, there have definitely been times in the comic so far where Rick has been much more unhinged than he's been on the show, so I, too, liked that they were taking him to that point.


Strix - Nov 13, 2012 10:01:36 am PST #21674 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I read the white font.

Fuck it, I'm asking for the compilation for Xmas.


tiggy - Nov 13, 2012 11:03:23 am PST #21675 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

i'm up to issue 63 or so. i really need to get back to them.


§ ita § - Nov 13, 2012 11:06:24 am PST #21676 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm fair with him unhinging because of the death but without needing to see every blessed moment of it. Are you saying the seeds were sown (and more sown from him, maybe clues displayed) from earlier?


le nubian - Nov 13, 2012 11:12:07 am PST #21677 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

ita,

in the novels you could clearly see the build up. He had lost his shit WAY before Lori died. It was pretty fucking clear. But then too, the graphic novel has a constant drumbeat of death. They gradually lost a lot of their party all along. Every issue someone was dying due to someone's stupidity.

In fact, T-Dogg was the one who took on the leadership role in the group because Rick had lost his shit. This is the biggest substantive change they have made to the plot that also affects some stuff going on at the Governor's.

I don't know how this will get reconciled.


§ ita § - Nov 13, 2012 11:31:48 am PST #21678 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

In the comics, T Dogg was still a gentleman of high melanin? Don't they know there's a long and august heritage in the genr...okay, there's an old precedent. Whatevs. Still, would have been nice to see for a change.

If they film it so that Rick suddenly goes boinkers, having him bitchslap the undead on the way down isn't going to make a psychotic break look any more plausible, and it's a smidge less fun.


le nubian - Nov 13, 2012 11:50:11 am PST #21679 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

ita,

I cannot remember the character's name in the novels any longer, and there were more people of color as part of Rick's crew in the novels than there have been on tv - and, might I add, given more to do - but he was a serious, able-bodied Black man who was generally level-headed and took over the leadership position and did a decent job.

Not exactly T Dogg, in other words.


Polter-Cow - Nov 13, 2012 11:50:58 am PST #21680 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

In the comics, T-Dog is named Tyreese, and he's one of my favorite characters, and he has a really interesting relationship with Rick, and he doesn't really have much in common with T-Dog except for being black and favoring melee weapons over guns.


le nubian - Nov 13, 2012 12:10:05 pm PST #21681 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

that's one of the reasons I have been upset with the tv's portrayal of T-Dogg.