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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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DCJensen - Sep 03, 2012 10:44:16 pm PDT #21003 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I guess it's possible to manually just pick up and move the TARDIS instead of making it transport the usual way? I probably weighs a lot more than it looks though!

It can, and has been, moved by various peoples/creatures/creatures who are also people.


Jon B. - Sep 04, 2012 4:15:04 am PDT #21004 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I sort of assumed that Oswin was from then or later

Why did you assume that? Was there a reference I missed?


§ ita § - Sep 04, 2012 5:24:00 am PDT #21005 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

that at any rate once we get much beyond the 21st century that particular prejudice disappears

And I don't get why you assumed this bit. We have no idea when it stopped being an issue.


Kate P. - Sep 04, 2012 6:44:06 am PDT #21006 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I really hate that "I'm giving you up for your own good" thing Amy was pulling, So so much.

Ugh, yes. I gotta say, though, it seemed pretty consistent with Amy's character. But then again, she's probably my least favorite character on the show, so I'm perfectly willing to believe she's capable of crap like that.

I mostly liked the episode, and the reveal about Oswin worked well for me -- obvious in retrospect, but I totally did not see it coming, and I really felt for her. And although I am also pretty tired of the Daleks, at least wiping the Doctor from their collective memory is an interesting twist on their story.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 04, 2012 6:45:10 am PDT #21007 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm still skeptical of the "everybody's grown beyond all that sexual orientation nonsense" premise of the 51st century. I can see society advancing to the point that no one cares who anyone is attracted to (except in a do-you-like-me-or-not? respect), but I don't think 3000 years is enough for major changes in how human beings are actually wired.


Typo Boy - Sep 04, 2012 6:48:13 am PDT #21008 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And I don't get why you assumed this bit. We have no idea when it stopped being an issue.

I can't defend the assumption. Head cannon.


Typo Boy - Sep 04, 2012 6:53:53 am PDT #21009 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I'm still skeptical of the "everybody's grown beyond all that sexual orientation nonsense" premise of the 51st century.

I think it is the categorization rather than the attraction that is changed. That is I think the idea is that there are men who are only attracted to men, but it is just like being attracted only to redheads - personal characteristic rather than a category. My headcanon on this that is what CJ mean't when he referred to "silly categories".


Juliebird - Sep 04, 2012 6:59:15 am PDT #21010 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Now I have this image of Buffistas on pirate ships firing at each other with their heads.


Consuela - Sep 04, 2012 7:13:14 am PDT #21011 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I admit to being a bit baffled by the Pond/Williams breakup. Amy kicked Rory out of the house and they went through all the effort to get divorce papers drawn up, and never in all that did she ever say anything like, "You'd be better off without me, you can go be a dad with another woman"? She never said a thing about why?

There's 2 problems there: first, as above, that's a lot of time passing in which they never have an honest conversation. Are they that bad at communication, or are we to assume that Amy was that traumatized by the discovery of her infertility that she never communicated it with her husband?

Second, it ignores entirely the possibility of having a child through any other means. Just because Amy thinks she can't have Rory's biological child, doesn't mean they can't have children together. It makes Amy in particular look like an idiot, even though I appreciate that discovering her reproductive system had been severely messed with would be really traumatic.

So my takeaway from the Pond/Williams near-divorce is that Amy is kind of an idiot. A sympathetic one, and the scene in which they reconcile is very moving, but argh.


Scrappy - Sep 04, 2012 10:06:47 am PDT #21012 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

never in all that did she ever say anything like, "You'd be better off without me, you can go be a dad with another woman"?

I think she knew Rory and that if she said that, he'd never leave. Infertility can mess with a person's head pretty badly, especially considering how she became infertile. I guess she thought she was damaged goods and that she was doing the kindest thing for Rory. Not at all wise, but I understand it.