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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

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This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Typo Boy - Sep 04, 2012 6:48:13 am PDT #21008 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And I don't get why you assumed this bit. We have no idea when it stopped being an issue.

I can't defend the assumption. Head cannon.


Typo Boy - Sep 04, 2012 6:53:53 am PDT #21009 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I'm still skeptical of the "everybody's grown beyond all that sexual orientation nonsense" premise of the 51st century.

I think it is the categorization rather than the attraction that is changed. That is I think the idea is that there are men who are only attracted to men, but it is just like being attracted only to redheads - personal characteristic rather than a category. My headcanon on this that is what CJ mean't when he referred to "silly categories".


Juliebird - Sep 04, 2012 6:59:15 am PDT #21010 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Now I have this image of Buffistas on pirate ships firing at each other with their heads.


Consuela - Sep 04, 2012 7:13:14 am PDT #21011 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I admit to being a bit baffled by the Pond/Williams breakup. Amy kicked Rory out of the house and they went through all the effort to get divorce papers drawn up, and never in all that did she ever say anything like, "You'd be better off without me, you can go be a dad with another woman"? She never said a thing about why?

There's 2 problems there: first, as above, that's a lot of time passing in which they never have an honest conversation. Are they that bad at communication, or are we to assume that Amy was that traumatized by the discovery of her infertility that she never communicated it with her husband?

Second, it ignores entirely the possibility of having a child through any other means. Just because Amy thinks she can't have Rory's biological child, doesn't mean they can't have children together. It makes Amy in particular look like an idiot, even though I appreciate that discovering her reproductive system had been severely messed with would be really traumatic.

So my takeaway from the Pond/Williams near-divorce is that Amy is kind of an idiot. A sympathetic one, and the scene in which they reconcile is very moving, but argh.


Scrappy - Sep 04, 2012 10:06:47 am PDT #21012 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

never in all that did she ever say anything like, "You'd be better off without me, you can go be a dad with another woman"?

I think she knew Rory and that if she said that, he'd never leave. Infertility can mess with a person's head pretty badly, especially considering how she became infertile. I guess she thought she was damaged goods and that she was doing the kindest thing for Rory. Not at all wise, but I understand it.


Maysa - Sep 04, 2012 1:56:20 pm PDT #21013 of 30001

It makes Amy in particular look like an idiot, even though I appreciate that discovering her reproductive system had been severely messed with would be really traumatic.

If only we ever saw Amy actually dealing with (even for like 2 minutes) anything that happened to her last year. She was kidnapped, mentally violated, lost her daughter and never got to raise her, and now we find out that she was also physically violated in some way--and this is never really addressed. Instead we get weird almost-divorces that appear out of nowhere and are solved in the length of an episode.

I always feel weirdly protective of Amy's character because Karen Gillan does a great job, but Moffat keeps making her seem like she's borderline insane. I don't blame Amy the character for anything because the writing is so obviously bad. And I know that it started last season, but I still really hate the fact that she became a model. That doesn't seem like anything Amelia Pond would be interested in.


DCJensen - Sep 04, 2012 3:35:35 pm PDT #21014 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

The full 5 part Pond Life Prequel to last week's episode, Asylum of the Daleks:

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P.M. Marc - Sep 05, 2012 7:24:22 am PDT #21015 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I think she knew Rory and that if she said that, he'd never leave. Infertility can mess with a person's head pretty badly, especially considering how she became infertile. I guess she thought she was damaged goods and that she was doing the kindest thing for Rory. Not at all wise, but I understand it.

That's my take on it. They've got an O Henry kind of love.

I do wish I'd seen all of Pond Life before watching Asylum, because the left field near-divorce is less left field after that.

(They keep putting all this character stuff in the extras. Did it last season, too. Drat them.)

Also, hey! Yasim from The Last Enemy was a Dalek! I was so distracted by having Anamaria Marinca on my screen again that I think I may have missed some crucial things.


JenP - Sep 05, 2012 10:27:34 am PDT #21016 of 30001

But how did she not sound like a Dalek to everyone?

This and how the Doctor got the TARDIS on the Dalek ship are the two things that make me scratch my head, but I admit that I wasn't thinking about them during the show, and then I came here immediately, so I'm not sure they would have occurred to me. But now I can't forget! Oh, well. I liked it a lot anyway.

The almost-divorce caught me way off guard, but the resolution scenes were were well-done and gave me feels, so whatever. I can't wait for next week's episode, "Dinosaurs! On a SPACE ship!"


Jon B. - Sep 05, 2012 10:36:02 am PDT #21017 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

But how did she not sound like a Dalek to everyone?

She got a hold of the doohickey Roy Skelton used and turned it around?

Seriously, I assumed that since she was hacking into something or other to make her transmission, she could use whatever voice she wanted. It's not like there was a mic in the room where she was being held.