Book: Where's the doctor? Not back yet? Zoe: (beat) We don't make him hurry for the little stuff. He'll be along. Book: He could hurry... a little.

'Safe'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Frankenbuddha - Aug 30, 2012 7:26:53 am PDT #20969 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I know the initial airing sometimes goes over an hour, but the repeats are always an hour, so I think for the initial broadcast you may get everything. I don't think they are consistent with it though.


Vonnie K - Aug 30, 2012 8:51:23 am PDT #20970 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Can't recall if anyone has linked to these little BBC shorts called "Pond Life." Super short and cute!

Intro: >[link] Part 1: >[link] Part 2: >[link] Part 3: >[link] Part 4: [link]


§ ita § - Aug 30, 2012 10:30:24 am PDT #20971 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Here's some of the story I grew up reading, Vonnie:

So everything went on for a long time, until at last, happy as she was, Beauty began to long for the sight of her father and her brothers and sisters; and one night, seeing her look very sad, the Beast asked her what was the matter. Beauty had quite ceased to be afraid of him. Now she knew that he was really gentle in spite of his ferocious looks and his dreadful voice. So she answered that she was longing to see her home once more. Upon hearing this the Beast seemed sadly distressed, and cried miserably.

"Ah! Beauty, have you the heart to desert an unhappy Beast like this? What more do you want to make you happy? Is it because you hate me that you want to escape?"

"No, dear Beast," answered Beauty softly, "I do not hate you, and I should be very sorry never to see you any more, but I long to see my father again. Only let me go for two months, and I promise to come back to you and stay for the rest of my life."

He's clearly not a Bad Boy--he's a Nice Guy, and that's entirely endorsed by the story. I mean, he threatens her with his death--that's the penalty exacted if she doesn't fulfil her promise to return.

And before she leaves, she has this conversation with her dream prince:

"Indeed, I should be ungrateful if I did not care for such a kind Beast," cried Beauty indignantly. "I would die to save him from pain. I assure you it is not his fault that he is so ugly."

The bad boy message was definitely a later addition. He threatens the father with death, but it's still not about him. This story is her saying yes to the beast because she stops holding onto the dream cutie in her head. And because this is magical fairy tale land, she gets her cake and eats it too. But there's no character arc for the Beast. The story is all about her eyes opening.

So, in a really big nutshell, that's why your initial post confused me. And, boy, do I have little to no urge to see the Disney version, if that's what they did to it. When I said I wan't interested in the story, it was the Nice Guy stuff that left me cold.


Vonnie K - Aug 30, 2012 12:43:51 pm PDT #20972 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Huh. Then I don't know which version it is that gave me the impression that Belle was not allowed to leave initially, until her father fell ill. Maybe that was the Disney version? I haven't seen it since I watched it on its initial run, which was 20 years ago.


Tom Scola - Aug 30, 2012 12:48:01 pm PDT #20973 of 30001
hwæt

Karen Gillian and Matt Smith perform the Doctor Who Theme: [link]


Zenkitty - Aug 30, 2012 3:41:03 pm PDT #20974 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Then I don't know which version it is that gave me the impression that Belle was not allowed to leave initially, until her father fell ill.

That's the "original" version in my head. But I've never heard of a version where Beauty was talking with a prince in her dreams.


§ ita § - Aug 30, 2012 4:36:43 pm PDT #20975 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My fairy tale bibles are the coloured fairy books. I have no idea how they rank in terms of One True Plot, but they're what I come back to to get righted. They are what I read first for most of the stories.

I make sure my ereaders are loaded up with as much of the spectrum as I can find.


Tom Scola - Sep 01, 2012 4:57:52 am PDT #20976 of 30001
hwæt

NOTE: Tonight’s Doctor Who season premier airs in the UK at 11:20am board time. It airs in the US East Coast at 6:00pm board time, after which posts can be unwhitefonted.


Polter-Cow - Sep 01, 2012 7:26:15 am PDT #20977 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ooh, thanks for that info, Tom!


chrismg - Sep 01, 2012 5:41:07 pm PDT #20978 of 30001
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

So who saw that twist coming? (Raises hand)