Oh, God. Oh, God. My hair. My hair! The government gave me bad hair!

Cordelia ,'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


-t - Aug 25, 2012 4:01:42 pm PDT #20877 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Oh, fun!

I am genuinely looking forward to that.


Typo Boy - Aug 25, 2012 4:14:52 pm PDT #20878 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Le Nubian spitting fire will be entertaining. Maybe more than the show. It is definitely junk food, but I'm not sure what kind of junk. It is not like Smallville or Vampire Diaries where one watches for the pretty pretty people. I mean they are good looking enough, but but not on that level. But I'm into it for reasons I don't totally understand. Kenzie is a great character, even is she is not handled right, and Hale is generally pretty good. They can all act except Anna Silk.

Part of it is I think that the writing is better than it seems. Hmm not exactly what I mean. OK, some aspects of the writing are suprisingly good. A lot of stuff is made clear without ever being said explicitly and other things are done well at the same time that much of the writing is godawful It is as though really talented skilled writers were being forced to collaborate with unskilled hacks. And the hacks were in charge, but the good writers slipped in decent writing part of the time.


§ ita § - Aug 25, 2012 6:32:31 pm PDT #20879 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not as up on the Ponds. I remember when Rose took the core of the Tardis into her, and ended the threat of that season. We had DoctorDonna get our asses out of the clinch. Martha did the walk around the world to get everyone to think dobbyDoctor back into good condition. What are Amy and Rory's equivalents? I mean, I know Rory waited, for instance, but all that sticks with me is him waiting for Amy. I really haven't rewatched Eleven anywhere near as much.


P.M. Marc - Aug 25, 2012 6:58:59 pm PDT #20880 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Amy remembered and brought the Doctor back to the universe.

Then, because Moff's a troll and named the episode The Big Bang, she went and honeymooned on the TARDIS and between Amy, Rory, and the TARDIS herself, River Song came into being.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 25, 2012 7:02:11 pm PDT #20881 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Why did the Who stuff suddenly come in? Did I miss something?


§ ita § - Aug 25, 2012 10:42:35 pm PDT #20882 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Amy remembered and brought the Doctor back to the universe

Does every companion get basically one thing this time round? Or does River count as two (and a hell of a two to boot)?

Why did the Who stuff suddenly come in? Did I miss something?

My Who question? No reason. Has anyone else talked about it since the premiere date was announced?


Frankenbuddha - Aug 26, 2012 8:26:39 am PDT #20883 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Has anyone else talked about it since the premiere date was announced?

Not as much as I would have expected. I seriously thought I'd missed a start to something Who-vian upthread, but if you just had a random question, that explains it.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2012 12:55:10 pm PDT #20884 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When I look at this [link] which is a testament to Sterek, I can't help but think they put the wrong name in there. Stiles is not the challenge to Derek. It's Scott. It's clearly Scott. The series hinges on it being Scott.

I don't understand the point of view that it's Stiles. Sure, Stiles smartmouths him, like he does just about everyone he doesn't have a pattern with, but he also usually lets Derek physically cow him.

Which is fine--he's outgunned. It's cool. Scott, on the other hand, doesn't pause to accept that, and throws himself, fangs and claws at Derek just about every time. It's not initial resistance and then removing himself from the fray (if I were going to clumsily apply what I don't actually know about pack psychology is that Stiles don't present to Derek like he's subordinate in his pack, but he does not challenge him for primacy--Stiles is not an alpha). Scott is establishing himself as no one's beta, ever. Whatever fight he needs to have with Derek to show that, he pretty much does.

Does fandom not care because he has a relationship that's got him off limits for some reason? That doesn't usually stop fandom. Is it just that Stiles is sassier, and that's the interplay they prefer, as opposed to a more apples to apples resistance?


P.M. Marc - Aug 27, 2012 8:12:40 am PDT #20885 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Beats me.

Is it just that Stiles is sassier, and that's the interplay they prefer, as opposed to a more apples to apples resistance?

Maybe? I still don't get it. And you're right: relationships have never stopped fandom before. And usually, there's at least a fair amount of shipping when you have a hero/anti-hero relationship, even if there's no sassin'.


Vonnie K - Aug 27, 2012 8:26:37 am PDT #20886 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I don't know anything about Teen Wolf, but fandom does love shipping ambiguously-or-outright evil dude with tortured past with plucky un-super sidekick. Basically, 70% (totally scientifical-kinda number I just pulled out of my ass) of all Thor / Avengers hetfic (which appears to be what I am into right now) feature Darcy and a good half of them appear to be Darcy/Loki. Why, when they don't even interact in the movie? 'Cause they fit that shipping type that hits fandom in its sweet spot. The geeky, snarky, adorable sidekick is the point of self-insertion for the fans (like all of us, only sassier! And braver! And slightly better-looking but not in a ridiculously-hot Greek God/Goddess way but in a way that's approachable!) The broken tortured hot bad guy just need to open his eyes to the awesomeness that is Darcy/Willow and he will be fixed!

Uh, from fannish osmosis, it sounds like Stiles/Derek fit those types pretty well? If not, just ignore me trying to do meta in fandom I know nothing about! *hands*