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Buffy ,'Potential'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Consuela - Jul 16, 2012 8:36:37 am PDT #20605 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I suspect you're under-rating the power of habit, and fannish self-identification. I watched XF almost to the bitter end, and loud was the wailing and gnashing of teeth in my household. Because I was an X-Files fan, and I wrote XF fic, and participated in dense XF conversations on several mailing lists. That self-identification and involvement in the community was really strong, and it took a lot for me to stop watching, and even more for me to stop kvetching about it.

I suspect that if I hadn't fallen into Farscape when I did, I would have hung around XF bitching and moaning even longer.

It's not rational. It's not. And I can point and laugh all I like now, but I know I'm not above it, because I've done it. And there's always someone else around in the same position, who will commiserate.


Zenkitty - Jul 16, 2012 8:56:22 am PDT #20606 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

So John has said that thing, about Leverage ending? Cool.

Yes, he said it in front of a bunch of fans, too, at the last Portland gathering. He said he didn't think Leverage had more than 100 (or maybe it was 120) episodes in the concept. Basically, 5 seasons, though this season is only 15, so maybe he'll want to keep going for another. Me, I'm zen about it. I love the show; if he makes more, that's great, but if he says the story's over, then so be it.


§ ita § - Jul 16, 2012 9:02:40 am PDT #20607 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've flipped channels and found X Files episodes I've never seen. I loved that show with a passion, and I joined people who flew in from Canada to watch the series finale, aided by tequila and toy aliens. But I did skip the painful bit with the crap episodes, because complaining about it wasn't any fun.

I guess someone was having some fun, though, because their ratings were larger than zero. I hope those people were very happy, for what they got.

It would be really cool if I liked every season of Supernatural no less than I've liked the weakest season so far (3). That would make me feel like I had some sort of bragging rights. It would make me feel really sad if I ended up falling out of love with it while it was still on the air and thinking of episodes broadcasting and me not breathlessly watching appointment TV. I'm getting a sad right now. And no one tell Amy I even floated the idea, will you?

But...insist it be cancelled? So there doesn't have to be an active fandom without me in it anymore? So there's no new canon for fics? So the bits of my pairing can't do anything new?

Seriously?

I can't believe anyone thinks that's marginally defensible, but it's not just that, it's the way you're supposed to think unless the other option happens--cancelled-by-the-fucker-networks-too-soon.

Which--don't even get me started on the stupidity of that.

I'm so glad John has already said he's ending Leverage on his terms so I won't have to bite my tongue when that wraps up because somehow everyone thinks there's one and only one way a show ends "early" and that's because a hostile network pulls the plug.

For fuck's sake, will martyr's weeds ever go out of fashion? I guess grey is a sophisticated look, right?


Jessica - Jul 16, 2012 9:07:45 am PDT #20608 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I was very lucky as an X-Files fan to not have a television for seasons six or seven, and in those days there was no Hulu or Netflix for getting caught up. By the time it was possible for me to jump back in, they'd changed the whole cast and I was confused and just stopped. But that period of enforced absence helped to sever the emotional ties.

I have felt "Oh god someone please put this show out of its misery!" at times when something really good gets really bad, but I'm not sure "insist" or "demand" is the right word.


Consuela - Jul 16, 2012 9:22:10 am PDT #20609 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I will say that I rather wish I'd stopped watching XF earlier than I did. And the one reason I can understand someone wishing a show cancelled is that the new route the show is following is retroactively screwing up the earlier storyline.

As a for-instance: if XF had ended in season 5, we would never have known that Carter hadn't the foggiest idea what was going on with the mytharc, and he was just making shit up as he went along.

Or in SPN, I had been pretty fond of the idea that the Winchesters got into hunting through a fluke of circumstance: that Mary's death was nothing more than chance malice on the part of the YED, and the story, for me, was in how John and the boys responded to that. So when they were informed that the boys were in fact descended directly from [memfault] and that made them perfect, special, angelic hosts, and that was why the whole thing had happened--well, in my mind, that rather screwed with my previous understanding of the show and its themes.

I'm not saying that that ruined the show for me, forever and ever, amen, but like reading the end of a book where the characters' motivations are turned on their head, it does rather challenge much of what I thought I knew and liked about the show.

So, in that kind of instance, I can see someone wishing the show had ended before that reveal. It's not rational, it's kind of petty, but I can see why someone would think that way.


§ ita § - Jul 16, 2012 9:52:53 am PDT #20610 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I guess you can't make a given piece of plot retroactively not exist, and it's not relevant to you that it improved the story for someone else, since you watch for you and they watch for them. But...if you can stop watching when it sours, yes, it's a bit late for you, but if the show had ended instead of kickstart Mary's place in the mythology and give her agency--well, I'd not be able to mourn what I didn't know--but this whole thing started from people asking about plot details after the cancellation points, didn't it? Oh, I'd want to cry. One simple revelation made me like the entire Winchester family (and some Campbells) better in one fell swoop.

Am I even gonna think that I should have not gotten than, and you should have had the show end first? No. And I'll say that the X Files should go on "too long" every time just to be consistent, and maybe someone else got something they valued out of the absolute dreck that made my eyes cross and my bile experience the Coriolis effect.


Consuela - Jul 16, 2012 10:14:37 am PDT #20611 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

And I'll say that the X Files should go on "too long" every time just to be consistent, and maybe someone else got something they valued out of the absolute dreck that made my eyes cross and my bile experience the Coriolis effect

Which is a very sensible, consistent, and even generous statement. Just don't start expecting online fandom to be any of that, for that way lies heartbreak.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 16, 2012 10:20:39 am PDT #20612 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I think Lost is the only show I've been fannishly into that I managed to just quit cold turkey. The Season 1 "all your questions will be answered" finale pissed me off so much that I was able to make a clean break.


Typo Boy - Jul 16, 2012 10:48:29 am PDT #20613 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Hmm, so far I have not missed an episode of Lost Girl. It is addictive like certain kinds of junk food. And yet, like certain kinds of junk food, I would not go out of my way for it. When it finally ends there will be no metaphorical tears. I will never purchase and episode on iTunes or on DVD. But as long as it is available in the TV package I've already paid for I will watch it and enjoy it - even if part of the fun is inconsistent snarking. I still think ita !'s suggestion that the actress who played the firestarter Fae would have made a better succubus than Bo is a good one. Though not perfect. They are canonically going for "not very bright" so they need someone with that level of sexual charisma who is good at projecting "not very bright".


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 16, 2012 11:41:03 am PDT #20614 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Kind of like how Teen Wolf makes it a plot point that the lead character is sort of a well-meaning doofus, thus turning a weakness into a strength for Tyler Posey.