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Zoe ,'War Stories'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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§ ita § - Jul 16, 2012 6:27:10 am PDT #20585 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think I hate happiness, because there's really nothing I want back. Nothing, no Firefly, Sarah Conner, Wonderfalls, nothing.

However, if you try and pull the still-living Supernatual out of my hands I will fuck your shit up. What is dead is dead, but don't fucking kill shit.


sumi - Jul 16, 2012 6:29:10 am PDT #20586 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Comic-Con OUAT season 2 preview.

I'm interested in seeing what it is he's got on his mind. . . speaking of shows that came back from the Dead - I read (somewhere - possibly via Twitter) that Netflix is talking about reviving Jericho (the second one with Skeet Ulrich).


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 16, 2012 6:39:38 am PDT #20587 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'd still like Farscape back in some form, but hearing Fuller's plans for seasons 2 and 3 of Wonderfalls cured me of wanting to see more despite how much I loved the series. Due South and Angel ended on nigh-perfect notes, and Buffy overstayed its welcome by a couple of years (plus the two awful comic book continuations).


Theodosia - Jul 16, 2012 6:42:39 am PDT #20588 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I think I'll always mourn Pushing Daisies and The Tick.


Zenkitty - Jul 16, 2012 6:46:11 am PDT #20589 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

There's nothing I want back anymore either. I wanted Firefly back when the wound was new, but now I'm content with letting it be what it was.


Consuela - Jul 16, 2012 6:51:40 am PDT #20590 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'd still like Farscape back in some form

Only if they keep Ricky Manning involved, since he's got the most evil sensibility, and they really need that.

But I don't see it ever happening, and I'd rather be happy with what we got (except for some parts of season 4) than see it tarnished by going on and on like SPN. (Sorry, ita !)


§ ita § - Jul 16, 2012 6:54:38 am PDT #20591 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, I mourn stuff. But I am also really really okay with letting things lie.

On the flip side, I got into a big argument (this is where you do your shocked face) with a guy about ending shows. He was complaining about shows going on too long, and Story suffering, and I said--just turn off your TV! They'll cancel it soon enough, no worries. You can stop watching any time--it's not their fault if you don't, and why not let anyone else who's still getting enjoyment out of it squeak by with some extra fun on their screen?

Oh, no, Story will be tarnished. Dude, Buffy doesn't have a GPA or a rebound average she needs to maintain. Feel free to only buy the boxed set up through season 5, and leave other people to get what they can out of the rest. Everything is always cancelled too soon for someone. Just consider yourself lucky it's not you in this case, but why bother complain something's being cancelled too late? If SMG doesn't want a new job yet, it's her call. Not indentured servitude.

Sorry--I've just had so many "arguments" with people who want Supernatural cancelled because they stopped watching after season 5. YOU STOPPED WATCHING. What difference does it make if it's on air or not? You need the timeslot for something else?

eta: ha! I totally wrote this before reading your post, Consuela, but I stand by it 100%. The concept of "tarnishing" a show is completely useless to me. Completely.


Theodosia - Jul 16, 2012 6:57:31 am PDT #20592 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

What difference does it make if it's on air or not? You need the timeslot for something else?

I suppose it would free up the actors and creators to go on to other projects you might like better.

(I suppose I should add: I'm still following the show and enjoying it.)


Tom Scola - Jul 16, 2012 6:58:54 am PDT #20593 of 30001
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Hmmm... For me it depends. I haven’t watched the Simpsons in 15 years, and I just don’t give a damn about it. But I also remember being extremely annoyed at how bad the X-Files got; I kept watching that for longer than I should hoping it would start to make sense.


Consuela - Jul 16, 2012 7:03:07 am PDT #20594 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I've just had so many "arguments" with people who want Supernatural cancelled because they stopped watching after season 5. YOU STOPPED WATCHING. What difference does it make if it's on air or not? You need the timeslot for something else?

Heh. Well, there is the zero-sum school of thought, where Dollhouse got a second season but Sarah Connor didn't, and therefore the one was at the cost of the other.

In general, I don't think SPN should have been cancelled: as you say, I took my leave. But I wouldn't like to tell people they don't have a right to feel that their emotional investment in a show has been hurt when the show goes places they didn't expect in the first couple of seasons, or even degrades in quality (nobody thinks Farscape S4 is the best overall season, although there are some very good episodes in it).

A friend of mine has a theory that the average tv concept has, at best, 100 good episodes in it. After that, the writers have run out of things to say about the characters and the premise, and end up repeating themselves or reinventing the show. Which I think isn't that far wrong, if you look at shows like SG-1, in which season 8 doesn't look much like season 2, and for some people might as well be a different show altogether--different cast, different enemy, different constraints.

SPN season 7 is, by all accounts, not much like season 2: different enemy, different constraints, different assumptions. And people like it, so clearly there's something worthwhile there. But for me, the whole angel-armageddon-destined vessel storyline was so far from the story I'd originally attached to that it just lost me (among other reasons).

I think it's just hard for some people to accept that the show is different now, and rather than deal with their inability to follow it emotionally, they would rather have it end at what was, to them, a high point.