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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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EpicTangent - Jul 12, 2012 3:38:27 pm PDT #20542 of 30001
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

It bugged me when he kept her at arm's length for so long without telling her why (Trick's orders), and that he used another woman to purposely hurt her rather than letting her in on what was up.

Doesn't he owe her the basic information that he fell out of love with Bo due to magic?

This one bugs too. Ciara so obviously feels threatened by Bo and by her and Dyson's Past. She might not seem so...I don't know...needy, maybe, if she didn't feel like Bo was a threat to her happiness.

Side note: I just caught up with some older eps, and you guys weren't kidding about how well Dyson's actor played Kenzi - he was amazing. I'd doubted his acting abilities up till then 'cuz Dyson's so low-key, but I'm 100% sold on the actor now.


Typo Boy - Jul 12, 2012 3:44:02 pm PDT #20543 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Also: during the body switching episode Kenzie mentioned how "empty" it was inside him. And when Ciara asked him if he loved her, he replied something on the lines of "you have everything I have to give". So he knows he does not love her and is knowingly deceiving her. That makes him an extreme jerk towards Ciara. I gather he was a jerk with the Nymph too. Apparently he is only a jerk with women he is in a serious relationship with.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2012 3:47:04 pm PDT #20544 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have to say, I'm kinda not in Bo's camp--when a guy keeps me at arm's length, he doesn't actually owe me an explanation. If he doesn't want to get serious, that's all I need to know. Anything else is severely gravy.

I do not get Ciara, though. I have not decided what I feel about that, because I can't work out what he's doing--she's not being portrayed as particularly attractive, so maybe it's a bit NOT YOU BO thing? My jury is still out on that--I'm probably just not getting her like I should get her.


Typo Boy - Jul 12, 2012 3:56:08 pm PDT #20545 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

He was in love with Ciara when young, and she was dating his best friend. Then she was the property of the king. So he is expected to be in love with her. And he has nothing better to do. Jerk!

And again, with Bo he set terms. She tried to keep them and he got pissed at her for it, and treated her like she had done something wrong. (At that point Bo should have said "later", but hey I'm not defending Bo. I'm just saying Dyson is a jerk too.)


Typo Boy - Jul 12, 2012 3:59:52 pm PDT #20546 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Emotionally Bo is the dimwitted high school cheerleader with big boobs and low self-esteem. Emotionally Dyson is the entitled jerk jock who can treat women decently if they just have casual sex, but becomes emotionally abusive in any serious relationship. (Note: referring to stereotypes here -not actual people. Not saying real cheerleaders and jocks are like that. Saying Bo and Dyson are adult characters who are written with a lot of similarities to those particular stereotypes)


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2012 5:09:11 pm PDT #20547 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm obviously not engaging with this at the right level, because while I think Dyson its bad news relationship wise, I wouldn't call him abusive. Chronically unavailable, but not abusive.


Typo Boy - Jul 12, 2012 6:07:29 pm PDT #20548 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Hmm - maybe abusive is too strong. More than emotionally unavailable. Someone who sets terms and does not live up to them (with Bo). Who does not show basic relationship courtesy, even sex only relationship courtesy - with the Nymph. (When he lost her number and started seeing Bo, he did not even bother to try and track her number down again to tell her it was over.) Who misleads a woman he is not in love with into believing he is in love with her. (Actually the word for that is lying. Telling the literal truth while omitting relevant facts in a way you know will be misunderstood for purposes of deceit is lying, and I think people who do it in a court of law have been convicted of perjury. That is why the oath includes the words "the WHOLE truth".)

That is not abuse in the sense that someone would go to a women's shelter to escape it. But it is a lot more than emotional unavailability. It is causing emotional harm by moving goalposts, hurtful discourtesy, and lying about serious relationship issues. So if not abuse, definitely a jerk.


Theodosia - Jul 13, 2012 2:47:18 am PDT #20549 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Have we ever had any information about Bo's father?

I've got suspicions, with Trick being so very helpful with his dead wife's possessions. Certainly the vibe he gives off to Bo is very fatherly, anyway.


Theodosia - Jul 13, 2012 2:52:06 am PDT #20550 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Also a big woo-hoo to the Teen Wolf third season!

I honestly didn't expect to like the series. I've got a soft spot for the original movie, mostly because of MJF and innocent goofy fun, but didn't see how that could extend into a continuing story.


Vortex - Jul 13, 2012 5:08:54 am PDT #20551 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Have we ever had any information about Bo's father?

No, she's adopted. I've long suspected that he's her father.

It would also make sense that it's why she's adopted. A dark fae/light fae baby would make for some issues.