And almost sixty-five percent of that was actual compliment. Is that a personal best?

Xander ,'End of Days'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Typo Boy - Jul 12, 2012 3:59:52 pm PDT #20546 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Emotionally Bo is the dimwitted high school cheerleader with big boobs and low self-esteem. Emotionally Dyson is the entitled jerk jock who can treat women decently if they just have casual sex, but becomes emotionally abusive in any serious relationship. (Note: referring to stereotypes here -not actual people. Not saying real cheerleaders and jocks are like that. Saying Bo and Dyson are adult characters who are written with a lot of similarities to those particular stereotypes)


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2012 5:09:11 pm PDT #20547 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm obviously not engaging with this at the right level, because while I think Dyson its bad news relationship wise, I wouldn't call him abusive. Chronically unavailable, but not abusive.


Typo Boy - Jul 12, 2012 6:07:29 pm PDT #20548 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Hmm - maybe abusive is too strong. More than emotionally unavailable. Someone who sets terms and does not live up to them (with Bo). Who does not show basic relationship courtesy, even sex only relationship courtesy - with the Nymph. (When he lost her number and started seeing Bo, he did not even bother to try and track her number down again to tell her it was over.) Who misleads a woman he is not in love with into believing he is in love with her. (Actually the word for that is lying. Telling the literal truth while omitting relevant facts in a way you know will be misunderstood for purposes of deceit is lying, and I think people who do it in a court of law have been convicted of perjury. That is why the oath includes the words "the WHOLE truth".)

That is not abuse in the sense that someone would go to a women's shelter to escape it. But it is a lot more than emotional unavailability. It is causing emotional harm by moving goalposts, hurtful discourtesy, and lying about serious relationship issues. So if not abuse, definitely a jerk.


Theodosia - Jul 13, 2012 2:47:18 am PDT #20549 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Have we ever had any information about Bo's father?

I've got suspicions, with Trick being so very helpful with his dead wife's possessions. Certainly the vibe he gives off to Bo is very fatherly, anyway.


Theodosia - Jul 13, 2012 2:52:06 am PDT #20550 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Also a big woo-hoo to the Teen Wolf third season!

I honestly didn't expect to like the series. I've got a soft spot for the original movie, mostly because of MJF and innocent goofy fun, but didn't see how that could extend into a continuing story.


Vortex - Jul 13, 2012 5:08:54 am PDT #20551 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Have we ever had any information about Bo's father?

No, she's adopted. I've long suspected that he's her father.

It would also make sense that it's why she's adopted. A dark fae/light fae baby would make for some issues.


§ ita § - Jul 13, 2012 6:50:12 am PDT #20552 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How does fandom get infected? Is Teen Wolf taking over LJ like it has tumblr? The Sherlock/Supernatural people who were pretty worked up over Avengers, and surprisingly less so over Hunger Games went ballistic over Teen Wolf shortly before the second season started, and they've been going strong ever since.

I'd even forgotten I'd watched the first season until they started up, and everything was familiar...

And now the Sterek actors are shamelessly whoring their ship in order to get Teen Choice votes...it's cracking me up. I can't remember the last time I've seen a slash ship go at it this hard, and y'all know I'm in SPN. They are...incorrigible. And naughty.

It's a lot of fun, though. And I'm sad to say I'm happy that it has more than one het ship (well...one's on rocky ground, but there were two among the main group for a while...who does that???) going on, lots of charisma, and manages to be pretty creepy for that little show on MTV. With a 24 episode S3.


Anne W. - Jul 13, 2012 8:11:19 am PDT #20553 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

surprisingly less so over Hunger Games

I'm wondering if the relative dearth of slashable pairings has anything to do with this, and if things might change once Finnick arrives on the scene and Gale takes a larger role.

ETA: I don't think it means that people liked TGH any less. I simply wonder if having a pairing (or two) to squee over tends to generate internet content at a greater pace than other things one might like about a show or movie.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 13, 2012 9:18:48 am PDT #20554 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

And now the Sterek actors are shamelessly whoring their ship in order to get Teen Choice votes...it's cracking me up.

Link please? Derek's basically what you'd get if Angel got rid of his his epic guilt complex and replaced it with a compulsion to wait until people are in the shower before trying to intimidate them.

One of the advantages of having an openly gay (and shameless) showrunner on an MTV series, it makes Supernatural look like it's sponsored by Focus on the Family in comparison!


§ ita § - Jul 13, 2012 9:54:43 am PDT #20555 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Matt, these are the last two shameless displays I've seen: