Anyone he helped save, maybe, in the earlier seasons? Or did those circumstances not arise?
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§ ita § - Mar 26, 2012 10:57:52 am PDT #19799 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
-t - Mar 26, 2012 6:07:27 pm PDT #19800 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I'm not sure how I feel about Olivia deciding to give up her memories so she can be with Peter. I don't completely understand what the Amber reality is anymore, though, so maybe that was inevitable.
I also like Lincoln/Olivia, in the Amber universe and Red (it's possible I have forgotten which is which, but I guess if those are gone for good it doesn't matter? So confused.)
le nubian - Mar 26, 2012 6:13:10 pm PDT #19801 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
they weren't her real memories though.
-t - Mar 26, 2012 6:15:17 pm PDT #19802 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
They were before Peter came back.
Consuela - Mar 26, 2012 6:19:18 pm PDT #19803 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
They were before Peter came back.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more angry I am about it. Olivia is giving up everything she is and knows in exchange for a mere possibility of romance with the least interesting character in the show.
It really pisses me off. I liked this Olivia, and she really did live that life, and have those experiences, and the show has decided that they're less important than shmoopy kissy-face with Peter.
le nubian - Mar 26, 2012 6:22:23 pm PDT #19804 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
-t,
but it was a manufactured reality. It shouldn't have existed in the first place.
aurelia - Mar 26, 2012 6:23:35 pm PDT #19805 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
An amusing Fringe photo recap. [link] I made the same Wizard of Oz joke during the September scene.
-t - Mar 26, 2012 6:32:08 pm PDT #19806 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
but it was a manufactured reality. It shouldn't have existed in the first place.
Manufactured by the Observers because it's what they thought really should have been. But the multiverse knows better? I don't know, I'm having a lot of trouble with understanding what the different universes and timelines are anymore, and that colors my understanding of the characters and what I want for them.
aurelia - Mar 26, 2012 6:35:45 pm PDT #19807 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
but it was a manufactured reality. It shouldn't have existed in the first place.
We could discuss circles around this idea. Either timeline could be viewed as manufactured depending on your point of view. I think most of us think of blue as the "real" reality because that is where the show lived for 3 seasons, but it only happened because September saved wee, kidnapped Peter from drowning. You could look at amber as the universe without Observer tampering* or you could see it as something created when they removed Peter from existence. At this point, if you asked me which one was real my answer would be yes.
- edit to add EVERYTHING we've seen has been influenced by September distracting Walternate before he could cure Peter. So really, we haven't seen a reality that wasn't in some way manufactured by September (the ultimate bumbling tourist) in one way or another.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2012 6:36:43 pm PDT #19808 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Olivia, and she really did live that life, and have those experiences, and the show has decided that they're less important than shmoopy kissy-face with Peter.
But it's not like she's only getting a relationship for it. She's getting a whole other life, one she lived.