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I'm not sure how I feel about Olivia deciding to give up her memories so she can be with Peter. I don't completely understand what the Amber reality is anymore, though, so maybe that was inevitable.
I also like Lincoln/Olivia, in the Amber universe and Red (it's possible I have forgotten which is which, but I guess if those are gone for good it doesn't matter? So confused.)
they weren't her real memories though.
They were before Peter came back.
They were before Peter came back.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more angry I am about it. Olivia is giving up everything she is and knows in exchange for a mere possibility of romance with the least interesting character in the show.
It really pisses me off. I liked this Olivia, and she really did live that life, and have those experiences, and the show has decided that they're less important than shmoopy kissy-face with Peter.
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but it was a manufactured reality. It shouldn't have existed in the first place.
An amusing Fringe photo recap. [link] I made the same Wizard of Oz joke during the September scene.
but it was a manufactured reality. It shouldn't have existed in the first place.
Manufactured by the Observers because it's what they thought really should have been. But the multiverse knows better? I don't know, I'm having a lot of trouble with understanding what the different universes and timelines are anymore, and that colors my understanding of the characters and what I want for them.
but it was a manufactured reality. It shouldn't have existed in the first place.
We could discuss circles around this idea. Either timeline could be viewed as manufactured depending on your point of view. I think most of us think of blue as the "real" reality because that is where the show lived for 3 seasons, but it only happened because September saved wee, kidnapped Peter from drowning. You could look at amber as the universe without Observer tampering* or you could see it as something created when they removed Peter from existence. At this point, if you asked me which one was real my answer would be yes.
Olivia, and she really did live that life, and have those experiences, and the show has decided that they're less important than shmoopy kissy-face with Peter.
But it's not like she's only getting a relationship for it. She's getting a whole other life, one she lived.
She's getting a whole other life, one she lived.
Is she, really? If nobody else in her life experienced it? And she doesn't know it's going to work: they don't know how or what is happening.
It's possily irrelevant that she's making the choice: the process may well be unstoppable, and maybe it will spread to Walter and onward, like ripples from a stone. But the way that this is structured, that she's choosing to give up a loving relationship with her foster mother, and a much more emotionally-extroverted psyche, in order to pursue a romantic relationship with someone who isn't even supposed to exist at all--it just strikes me as negating a lot of what made Olivia so compelling to begin with.
I cannot imagine the Olivia Dunham of S1 or S2 turning away from her sister or niece for the possibility of a romance.