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One difference between Heinlein and many others on sexism is that he takes the trouble to rationalize it. It may actually say something good about him that he was not just taking it for granted
Not to speak for all women, but the fact that he wrapped his sexism in evo-psych bullshit was one of the many MANY reasons he ceased to appeal to me after about age 17.
Hence the rest of the sentence you quoted and the following sentence
but it might make more unpleasant for a woman who encounters it unexpectedly. The way Chesterton's thoughf out and explained anti-semitism hits me harder than other stuff from the same period that tosses it off causally.
Being Human US is 2/3 rapey right now. It's not fun. It's not engaging me. Everything is so miserable and exploited.
It's not fun at all. I am still watching out of my compulsive need to find out what happens in a plot I've started following, mostly.
It does include Heinlein's usual attitude towards women, plus a bit of racism he thinks is tolerance. So not without eyerollingness, But the premise gets points for me for sheer chutzpah .And if you can ignore the stuff you pretty much always have to ignore with Heinlein, it is quite entertaining.
OMG HEINLEIN I ROLL MY EYES FOREVER AT YOU.
Yeah, it's why I keep eyerolling to infinity whenever I see the commercial for John Carter of Mars. The books are INCREDIBLY misogynistic and full of gratuitous sex between John Carter and various slave girls.
Yeah, it's why I keep eyerolling to infinity whenever I see the commercial for John Carter of Mars. The books are INCREDIBLY misogynistic and full of gratuitous sex between John Carter and various slave girls.
Those are the Gor books, right? I remember reading John Carter of Mars in high school and going, huh, that was icky, and then I read another Gor book which was even worse, and had to read the whole thing because I was mesmerized by horror at the blatant hatred of women. I still haven't been able to erase that disgusting book from my memory.
Nah. The John Carter books (aka Barsoom books) are old-school pulp from the 1910s - 1940s, with creepy Confederacy-shoulda-won subtext. The Gor books are late-60s - present women-should-be-subservient-slaves fantasy. Easy enough to mix up.
Okay, thanks for clarifying! I'm actually glad because I was horrified to think the Gor books were getting to the big screen.
I think John Carter and the Mars books are much more a "product of their times" sexism (Dejah Thoris gets a bit of agency, even if she is naked the entire time), and Gor is "you really don't respect women" sexism, if you care to split hairs.