It's not fun at all. I am still watching out of my compulsive need to find out what happens in a plot I've started following, mostly.
Mal: There's plenty orders of mine that she didn't obey. Wash: Name one! Mal: She married you!
'War Stories'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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-t - Mar 13, 2012 11:21:12 am PDT #19682 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Nora Deirdre - Mar 13, 2012 1:02:52 pm PDT #19683 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
It does include Heinlein's usual attitude towards women, plus a bit of racism he thinks is tolerance. So not without eyerollingness, But the premise gets points for me for sheer chutzpah .And if you can ignore the stuff you pretty much always have to ignore with Heinlein, it is quite entertaining.
OMG HEINLEIN I ROLL MY EYES FOREVER AT YOU.
Vortex - Mar 13, 2012 2:29:38 pm PDT #19684 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Yeah, it's why I keep eyerolling to infinity whenever I see the commercial for John Carter of Mars. The books are INCREDIBLY misogynistic and full of gratuitous sex between John Carter and various slave girls.
Zenkitty - Mar 13, 2012 3:48:02 pm PDT #19685 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Yeah, it's why I keep eyerolling to infinity whenever I see the commercial for John Carter of Mars. The books are INCREDIBLY misogynistic and full of gratuitous sex between John Carter and various slave girls.
Those are the Gor books, right? I remember reading John Carter of Mars in high school and going, huh, that was icky, and then I read another Gor book which was even worse, and had to read the whole thing because I was mesmerized by horror at the blatant hatred of women. I still haven't been able to erase that disgusting book from my memory.
amych - Mar 13, 2012 4:10:54 pm PDT #19686 of 30001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Nah. The John Carter books (aka Barsoom books) are old-school pulp from the 1910s - 1940s, with creepy Confederacy-shoulda-won subtext. The Gor books are late-60s - present women-should-be-subservient-slaves fantasy. Easy enough to mix up.
Zenkitty - Mar 13, 2012 4:14:32 pm PDT #19687 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Okay, thanks for clarifying! I'm actually glad because I was horrified to think the Gor books were getting to the big screen.
§ ita § - Mar 13, 2012 4:44:48 pm PDT #19688 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think John Carter and the Mars books are much more a "product of their times" sexism (Dejah Thoris gets a bit of agency, even if she is naked the entire time), and Gor is "you really don't respect women" sexism, if you care to split hairs.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 13, 2012 4:51:40 pm PDT #19689 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
To be fair, John Carter and everyone else is pretty much naked the entire time too, so it's not as if Deja Thoris is being singed out in that respect.
Okay, thanks for clarifying! I'm actually glad because I was horrified to think the Gor books were getting to the big screen.
Um, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but... [link] [link]
Ginger - Mar 13, 2012 5:26:34 pm PDT #19690 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
The books are INCREDIBLY misogynistic
And racist. Don't forget racist.
tiggy - Mar 13, 2012 7:32:16 pm PDT #19691 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore