That's the thrill of living in the Hellmouth! There's a veritable cornucopia of fiends and devils and ghouls to engage ... Pardon me for finding the glass half-full.

Giles ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


§ ita § - Mar 10, 2012 10:00:12 am PST #19636 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's true. To be accurate, I should say--of a man dealing with loss in his particular way. It's a good character study of that. I do think he is mini-grieving, but it's definitely not conventional. He's not grieving so much for his wife or his son, but he is mourning his family, because they can't be together anymore.

Imagine if his wife should get pregnant, or a woman hit on him in the green universe--like the tennis coach. That would really mess with shit.

I was looking forward to being more knowledgeable than the main character about what was going on with the realities/dream structure, not about an additional conspiracy. I don't need a conspiracy. Things are mysterious enough. A conspiracy is trite and conventional and used in comparison. That's part of why I find myself detaching.

But I'm pretty sure at this point they could get away with the show not being Boxed Set material.


-t - Mar 10, 2012 10:15:39 am PST #19637 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

The conspiracy business is disappointing. So unnecessary.


le nubian - Mar 10, 2012 11:38:28 am PST #19638 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

it's so weird too because I love conspiracy theories. it isn't working for me right now. or at least not working for me as something I'm supposed to care a lot about.


Polter-Cow - Mar 10, 2012 12:20:44 pm PST #19639 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Thing is, I don't care about a conspiracy about the car crash. If there were some sort of conspiracy about what the fuck is going on with him, that would be more interesting.


§ ita § - Mar 10, 2012 12:21:26 pm PST #19640 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If there were some sort of conspiracy about what the fuck is going on with him

If there's a thing.


-t - Mar 10, 2012 1:50:28 pm PST #19641 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

If there were some sort of conspiracy about what the fuck is going on with him, that would be more interesting.

See, I would hate that a lot, I'm pretty sure.


Polter-Cow - Mar 10, 2012 1:58:34 pm PST #19642 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Well, the point is, there doesn't need to be a conspiracy about anything.


-t - Mar 10, 2012 2:09:34 pm PST #19643 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

On that point, we are in agreement.


Ginger - Mar 10, 2012 2:27:42 pm PST #19644 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I almost always do not like conspiracies in television plots. Part of it is a left-over X-Files twitch, and the rest is from my inability to believe in large-scale conspiracies because my experience says no group of people can keep a secret for very long. In terms of drama, my experience is that few television conspiracies stay consistent or ultimately make a lick of sense.


Typo Boy - Mar 10, 2012 2:35:45 pm PST #19645 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

So - Grimm last night. Monroe continues awesome, after being downplayed a bit for two episodes. Also, one scene (quoting from memory but pretty close) had one of the shortest examples of contrast in acting ability I've seen on the show.

Monroe(facial expression shows worry) You do have a plan don't you? You just have not gotten around to sharing it yet

Nick(probably his face is supposed to convey "plan, what plan?", but really all we see is no change from his usual blank expression.

Monroe(totally horrified, reacting as though Nick's face had conveyed what it is supposed) Oh. My. God. (As he realizes that they are about to face a dragon, pardon draken-Fuherer, with weapons that are completely useless against that species and no plan or idea of what they are doing.)

Two lines; acting ability chasm between the actors the size of the Grand Canyon.