Angel: You know, I killed my actual dad. It was one of the first things I did when I became a vampire. Wesley: I hardly see how that's the same situation. Angel: Yeah. I didn't really think that one through.

'Lineage'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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§ ita § - Mar 03, 2012 3:32:40 am PST #19520 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it's got to be that he doesn't perceive sleep

That's a weird thing to say in Boxed Set. Why do you think so?


Theodosia - Mar 03, 2012 4:24:36 am PST #19521 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Maybe that is the reason there are only three left? The three remaining coins were in the hands of the stupid branch of the Grimm organization.

I'll go with that.

Also go with the contention that there was not enough Monroe in this episode. But we made up for it with the Steinadler who looks good for some continuing plot, plus more development with Sasha Ruiz's captain.


Liese S. - Mar 03, 2012 7:02:35 am PST #19522 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

That's a weird thing to say in Boxed Set. Why do you think so?

Yeah, I guess it is Boxed Set, isn't it? I guess for my uninformed viewpoint, it seems like in order to hold up the show's conceit that he doesn't know which is which, he couldn't be also dreaming something else in between. But maybe that's not a premise the show is going with.

I guess I should start watching, I just don't see any way it's not heart-breaking and horrible, although I'm clearly interested in the mechanics and storytelling.


§ ita § - Mar 03, 2012 7:08:47 am PST #19523 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What you say is the whole premise isn't in fact the whole premise, and I'm not sure why you'd state it that way. Because your premise mandates dream, and we don't have that in the rules yet.

We don't know if they're both real, but they could be. If one isn't real, it doesn't have to be "just" a dream.


Zenkitty - Mar 03, 2012 7:15:19 am PST #19524 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I think he has become two selves, and one sleeps while the other lives its waking life.


sj - Mar 03, 2012 12:49:14 pm PST #19525 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I haven't seen the pilot yet, but is it possible the accident left him in a coma and both "realities" are dreams?


DebetEsse - Mar 03, 2012 12:51:28 pm PST #19526 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

It would be a reasonable explanation for why they both seem equally real (c.f.--Doctor Who-"Amy's Choice")


le nubian - Mar 03, 2012 1:16:01 pm PST #19527 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

see, after watching the pilot it seemed clear to me that this show was supposed to be a scifi show and go the "different realities" way. I kind of wish that this was what the show was going to do.

It sounds like (from interview of the cast) that this is NOT the intended direction and it kind of makes me less interested in the show, if that makes sense. Because I cannot wrap my head around how any psychiatrist would let him work given his current situation. That just would not happen.

But it would be more palatable for me to believe this if reality split for him at the accident and he is living in two different worlds.


sj - Mar 03, 2012 5:05:34 pm PST #19528 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I watched Awake tonight. It's interesting enough that I will probably watch it again, especially since I really like several of the actors in it. It is asking a lot of the audience with essentially two casts and two crimes each week.

see, after watching the pilot it seemed clear to me that this show was supposed to be a scifi show and go the "different realities" way. I kind of wish that this was what the show was going to do.

I really would like it to go in this direction as well, but I get the feeling that it is going to turn into a simple procedural with the two realities stuff falling into the background. I hope I'm wrong.

I also watched the pilot for Touch which aired a while back and has been sitting on my DVR forever. It's really heavy handed, but I might watch another episode or two to see if it gets any better. I did laugh at the Heroes reference.


le nubian - Mar 03, 2012 5:16:42 pm PST #19529 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

you know the guy behind Touch (Kring) is the same guy behind Heroes?