I'm thinking that he closes his eyes, and if he doesn't dream, the next thing he knows is that he's waking up. And so the abbreviated explanation excluding his sleeping.

Which makes me wonder, what happens if he pulls an all-nighter? What if he gets called to a crime scene at four in the morning and doesn't get home until six, seven in the morning? Will he have already have woken up in the next reality, or will there be a shift at a specific time? Midnight? 6 am?

I'm thinking that he closes his eyes, and if he doesn't dream, the next thing he knows is that he's waking up. And so the abbreviated explanation excluding his sleeping.

I do think, narratively, it's on them to explain that. If they have him both say "I close my eyes, I open my eyes" with no implication of anything happening inbetween and also show the same thing (I didn't notice any shots of him sleeping), then it's entirely our decision to insert sleep there. It's not strictly incorrect, because I don't think that they have explicitly said it's not happened, but they have done absolutely no hinting of their own.

It wouldn't be a retcon, basically, if they said next week that he never slept, from the bits I've caught so far.

I think this is an instance of proving that God doesn't exist by the merit that there is not concrete evidence that he does, and vice versa.

Until we know more, and all that.

My hold that he does in fact sleep is that showing a man sleeping is terribly dull, and that there have been no other signs of time slipping. The assumption being that between the time that he falls asleep, and the time that he wakes up, he slept a full night.

It'd be another thing if he falls asleep in one reality at 10 pm and he wakes up at 10:15 in the other reality. Then I'd start worrying about him fritzing out due to lack of sleep.

Also, for those who missed it on original airing or the Bravo rebroadcast, the pilot is scheduled on the channel formerly known as Sci-Fi - Monday or Tuesday night - I just put it in the rotation but I'm currently spacing on when or what time, so check your DVRs or listings. Sorry.

Except the world has no responsibility to tell me god exists. The storytellers have a responsibility to tell me about his experience. So I will tend to assume he's not having it if they keep showing events in sequence and skipping showing and telling that.

Semantics.

When I watched the pilot way back when, it seemed to me like he didn't ever sleep. There was no indication that he was alternating days in each reality, for example, or living days twice.

And, you know, there's the title of the show.

I don't see how they can avoid the question of mechanics for very long, although I understand wanting to keep things vague for the pilot.

It is interesting that there are differences that cannot be readily attributed to the death of his wife vs. son, so they really are quite separate realities.

I didn't watch, so this is ex cloaca, but it's got to be that he doesn't perceive sleep. The whole premise of the experience is that he doesn't know a dream state from a waking state. He has a persistent dream state, which only includes his other reality. If there is one that is real and one that is false, then he's getting sleep, during the false (but incredibly vivid) state, the dream state. He just doesn't care to know which is which.

I guess he should try turning the lights on and off.

Liese, that's the therapists' contention, but I think, within the world of the show, it's reasonable to believe that his consciousness is actually jumping back and forth between actually-real realities (or, I suppose, that neither is real, and he's Sam Tyler *)

* I don't know how to describe that spoiler in a way that isn't a spoiler. It's for a show that aired 5 years ago.

I will totally cop to being influenced by the Watch-verse Sherlock fic in my understanding of this whole thing.

Tonight's Grimm. Not enough Monroe. Are they dialing him back because they realize he makes the viewpoint character look bad by comparison?

Also one quibble. (Quibble only because no biggie compared to other plot holes.) The coins were made of gold, lead, mercury and arsenic. Not exactly One Ring level of heat resistance. In all the centuries these coins have been causing problems, did it never occur to anyone to destroy them?

[On Edit] Maybe that is the reason there are only three left? The three remaining coins were in the hands of the stupid branch of the Grimm organization...