Also, for those who missed it on original airing or the Bravo rebroadcast, the pilot is scheduled on the channel formerly known as Sci-Fi - Monday or Tuesday night - I just put it in the rotation but I'm currently spacing on when or what time, so check your DVRs or listings. Sorry.

Except the world has no responsibility to tell me god exists. The storytellers have a responsibility to tell me about his experience. So I will tend to assume he's not having it if they keep showing events in sequence and skipping showing and telling that.

Semantics.

When I watched the pilot way back when, it seemed to me like he didn't ever sleep. There was no indication that he was alternating days in each reality, for example, or living days twice.

And, you know, there's the title of the show.

I don't see how they can avoid the question of mechanics for very long, although I understand wanting to keep things vague for the pilot.

It is interesting that there are differences that cannot be readily attributed to the death of his wife vs. son, so they really are quite separate realities.

I didn't watch, so this is ex cloaca, but it's got to be that he doesn't perceive sleep. The whole premise of the experience is that he doesn't know a dream state from a waking state. He has a persistent dream state, which only includes his other reality. If there is one that is real and one that is false, then he's getting sleep, during the false (but incredibly vivid) state, the dream state. He just doesn't care to know which is which.

I guess he should try turning the lights on and off.

Liese, that's the therapists' contention, but I think, within the world of the show, it's reasonable to believe that his consciousness is actually jumping back and forth between actually-real realities (or, I suppose, that neither is real, and he's Sam Tyler *)

* I don't know how to describe that spoiler in a way that isn't a spoiler. It's for a show that aired 5 years ago.

I will totally cop to being influenced by the Watch-verse Sherlock fic in my understanding of this whole thing.

Tonight's Grimm. Not enough Monroe. Are they dialing him back because they realize he makes the viewpoint character look bad by comparison?

Also one quibble. (Quibble only because no biggie compared to other plot holes.) The coins were made of gold, lead, mercury and arsenic. Not exactly One Ring level of heat resistance. In all the centuries these coins have been causing problems, did it never occur to anyone to destroy them?

[On Edit] Maybe that is the reason there are only three left? The three remaining coins were in the hands of the stupid branch of the Grimm organization...

it's got to be that he doesn't perceive sleep

That's a weird thing to say in Boxed Set. Why do you think so?

Maybe that is the reason there are only three left? The three remaining coins were in the hands of the stupid branch of the Grimm organization.

I'll go with that.

Also go with the contention that there was not enough Monroe in this episode. But we made up for it with the Steinadler who looks good for some continuing plot, plus more development with Sasha Ruiz's captain.

That's a weird thing to say in Boxed Set. Why do you think so?

Yeah, I guess it is Boxed Set, isn't it? I guess for my uninformed viewpoint, it seems like in order to hold up the show's conceit that he doesn't know which is which, he couldn't be also dreaming something else in between. But maybe that's not a premise the show is going with.

I guess I should start watching, I just don't see any way it's not heart-breaking and horrible, although I'm clearly interested in the mechanics and storytelling.