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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Frankenbuddha - Nov 04, 2011 6:17:38 pm PDT #18646 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Poor Walter. Poor Peter. Walter has always been a woobie, but now Peter is too, poor boo.

It would also be interesting if Walternate wasn't the one responsible for the new shapeshifters, otherwise I'm not terribly interested in that as a story-line. Also, what was up with that weird moment with Olivia, Lincoln and the files?


quester - Nov 04, 2011 6:44:57 pm PDT #18647 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

At first, I thought that the shapeshifter had infiltrated the headquarters, but now I think it has more to do with next weeks previews.


aurelia - Nov 04, 2011 8:03:12 pm PDT #18648 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Yeah, that was a time slip like what happened when Peter was a big glowy ball of energy.

Peter is such a woobie now. Not only does he have memories of his past with everyone else, he remembers 15 years of future. I like the way Josh Jackson is playing that so far.

I have this idea knocking around in the back of my head that an AltNina will end up being involved with these shapeshifters. I also wonder if Peter might be able to find a way to reprogram the mission objective in a shapeshifter. That was one of the 3 things he said was in the disc, right?


§ ita § - Nov 05, 2011 7:24:14 am PDT #18649 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have not been paying enough attention to this season of Fringe. I am missing key details. I feel bad.

I have a Chuck question: I'm also not paying enough attention, evidently. How is he a competent agent without the Intersect? When did he actually learn spycraft? I thought he had just been operating under implanted knowledge and not learning anything. Now he's a handler and a "real spy"?

Also, why is Justin Hartley wearing a shirt?


Polter-Cow - Nov 05, 2011 7:25:49 am PDT #18650 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

How is he a competent agent without the Intersect? When did he actually learn spycraft? I thought he had just been operating under implanted knowledge and not learning anything.

All the Intersect gave him was information about people and the occasional fighting/technical skills. I assume he picked up spycraft by, you know, going on missions all these years. He knows how things work in general.


§ ita § - Nov 05, 2011 7:45:52 am PDT #18651 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But he never trained. He never was instructed. He just showed up and flashed, it seemed like. He was pretty much a comedic doofus until they yanked the thing out of his head, and that he'd never passed the test they set for him.

Now he's all serious competentballs.


aurelia - Nov 05, 2011 8:53:26 am PDT #18652 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

He actually was trained for a while before Superman showed up.


§ ita § - Nov 05, 2011 8:56:10 am PDT #18653 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So it's just magical TV world where it takes a couple of months to get spycraft up to snuff and I should just let the fact that they let him be the Falstaff pretty much all the way up to Morgan getting Intersected go, because that's just not this show, huh?


aurelia - Nov 05, 2011 9:06:36 am PDT #18654 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I feel like they made the leap to competent spy (and yes it was a leap) last season. Wasn't that pretty much the point of having Morgan coming on missions then, to keep a buffoon around?


Polter-Cow - Nov 05, 2011 9:11:29 am PDT #18655 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yep.