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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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askye - Aug 29, 2011 5:09:57 am PDT #17928 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

I haven't watched this episode but I like reading everyone's comments so I don't mind being spoiled.

I'm not sure if having a best friend she never mentioned before is a big deal. Amy basically rewrote history and brought back her parents so maybe other things in her past were changed too.


tommyrot - Aug 29, 2011 5:17:19 am PDT #17929 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The episode also provides a good example of what can happen if you try to change something that's a fixed point in time. Mels' attempt to kill Hitler not only resulted in Hitler being saved, but in Hitler shooting Mels as well.

"In Soviet Russia, Hitler kills you!"


Shir - Aug 29, 2011 9:32:24 am PDT #17930 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

tommy - brilliant catch.


Polter-Cow - Aug 29, 2011 9:51:09 am PDT #17931 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Those time-traveling justice goons seem to be morons, however. They had gone through all the preparation and were THIS close to killing Hitler before they suddenly realized they were WAY TOO EARLY??


Rayne - Aug 29, 2011 10:37:58 am PDT #17932 of 30001
"Oh no! Has falling sky liquid once again caused you the sadness?" -Starfire

Not to mention, didn't they kill another random Nazi so they could take over his body and they were perfectly fine with that?


DCJensen - Aug 29, 2011 11:46:23 am PDT #17933 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Well, after they miniaturized him, they ID'd him as "Erich Zimmerman, loyal member of the Nazi Party, guilty of category 3 hate crimes." I took away form that that if he was judged to be an innocent, he would have been spared not unlike Amy and Rory.


Jon B. - Aug 29, 2011 11:52:02 am PDT #17934 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

It wasn't a question of guilt or innocence. They said that they weren't trying to change history. They only wanted to make sure that bad people suffered a lot of pain. So if Erich Zimmerman had more hate crimes yet to commit (which seems likely in 1938), they could have changed history. The whole not-realizing-we're-seven-years-early thing was silly, but I don't expect much logic from Who.


DCJensen - Aug 29, 2011 12:03:30 pm PDT #17935 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

"I was on my way to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I suddenly thought, 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think I'll kill The Fuhrer.'"


DCJensen - Aug 29, 2011 12:05:28 pm PDT #17936 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

The whole not-realizing-we're-seven-years-early thing was silly, but I don't expect much logic from Who.

I don't expect much logic from institutionalized, bureaucratized punishment squads.


smonster - Aug 29, 2011 12:05:54 pm PDT #17937 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

DCJ, that was my favorite line from last night, by far.