but did she have to be the juvenile delinquent sociopath?
I thought nothing of it, her personality was consistent with River.
Wash: You want a slinky dress? I can buy you a slinky dress. Captain, can I have money for a slinky dress? Jayne: I'll chip in. Zoe: I can hurt you.
'Shindig'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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Vortex - Aug 28, 2011 6:19:55 pm PDT #17918 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
DCJensen - Aug 28, 2011 6:24:26 pm PDT #17919 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.
I think It made sense for River to have grown up being a delinquent. She has two forces inside of her at war. The awesomeness of Amy and Rory DNA, and her mission.
I wonder if the ethnicity was before or after the basic story was written. Mels ethnic makeup seems irrelevant to the plot.
DebetEsse - Aug 28, 2011 6:34:01 pm PDT #17920 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Then I shall resolve to feel good about the casting choice, and say "yay! Time Lord(ish) diversity!"
Dana - Aug 28, 2011 6:35:06 pm PDT #17921 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."
I was more weirded out about the retcon. Meet this new best friend we've never mentioned before!
Frankenbuddha - Aug 28, 2011 6:46:36 pm PDT #17922 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I'd love to see Chiwetel Ejiofor as The Doctor.
Who do we have to petition for this to happen? I mean SERIOUSLY!!!
I'd start a write-in campaign once it was clear Matt Smith was done.
DebetEsse - Aug 28, 2011 6:46:37 pm PDT #17923 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Yeah, that was a bit much. I'm surprised that we didn't get a reaction from Rory when he found out the baby's name.
"Really? Mels?"
"She's my best friend."
"Yeah, but..."
"What?"
"Not much of a role model."
"Maybe she'll rise to the occasion."
Shir - Aug 28, 2011 7:37:22 pm PDT #17924 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
I was more weirded out about the retcon. Meet this new best friend we've never mentioned before!
This.
Polter-Cow - Aug 28, 2011 7:38:55 pm PDT #17925 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I'm surprised that we didn't get a reaction from Rory when he found out the baby's name.
And that was only ONE EPISODE AGO. It's not like they didn't know they were doing this. Throw us a bone, guys.
DCJensen - Aug 28, 2011 8:27:27 pm PDT #17926 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.
I was re-watching a couple of scenes and I'm still amused by "Name one girl you've paid the slightest bit of attention to!"
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"Rory!"
"...and the penny drops."
tommyrot - Aug 29, 2011 4:50:03 am PDT #17927 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
On rewatch, I liked the episode more. If you ignore all the issues with WTF!River, there were many great scenes and bits to the episode. Like the Doctor asking the TARDIS for a visual interface, and how he doesn't want to see himself as the visual interface as he doesn't like himself. And then all the companions he feels guilty about.
Still, I gotta agree with this io9 review on River: Doctor Who and the One Woman the Doctor Can’t Screw Up
But I have to admit... after "Let's Kill Hitler," I'm... a bit less of a River fan than I was....
But also, the shift from a River who knows more than everybody else to a River who's the only one who knows nothing seemed to sap the character of a lot of energy. She still has power, in that she's able to kill the Doctor, but she knows nothing. Young River is just as pleased with herself as Older River, but from a position of ignorance. If that makes any sense.
And then there's the coda, in which we learn that River became an archeologist for one reason only: To "find a good man." Ummm, eww? So not only are River's birth and death based around the Doctor, but now we find out the only reason she chose her career was so she could get closer to him. River is basically a sort of stalker, and the only reason why the Doctor is so into her, is because she's already successfully stalked him in her future and his past. (And then there's the "and she's a woman" line, which I'm convinced Moffat only threw in to see if he could give some feminists an apoplexy.)