Xander: I still don't get why we came here to get info about a killer snot monster. Giles: Because it's a killer snot monster from outer space. I did not say that.

'Never Leave Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 28, 2011 6:46:36 pm PDT #17922 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I'd love to see Chiwetel Ejiofor as The Doctor.

Who do we have to petition for this to happen? I mean SERIOUSLY!!!

I'd start a write-in campaign once it was clear Matt Smith was done.


DebetEsse - Aug 28, 2011 6:46:37 pm PDT #17923 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Yeah, that was a bit much. I'm surprised that we didn't get a reaction from Rory when he found out the baby's name.

"Really? Mels?"
"She's my best friend."
"Yeah, but..."
"What?"
"Not much of a role model."
"Maybe she'll rise to the occasion."


Shir - Aug 28, 2011 7:37:22 pm PDT #17924 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

I was more weirded out about the retcon. Meet this new best friend we've never mentioned before!

This.


Polter-Cow - Aug 28, 2011 7:38:55 pm PDT #17925 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm surprised that we didn't get a reaction from Rory when he found out the baby's name.

And that was only ONE EPISODE AGO. It's not like they didn't know they were doing this. Throw us a bone, guys.


DCJensen - Aug 28, 2011 8:27:27 pm PDT #17926 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I was re-watching a couple of scenes and I'm still amused by "Name one girl you've paid the slightest bit of attention to!"

t lightbulb

"Rory!"

"...and the penny drops."


tommyrot - Aug 29, 2011 4:50:03 am PDT #17927 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

On rewatch, I liked the episode more. If you ignore all the issues with WTF!River, there were many great scenes and bits to the episode. Like the Doctor asking the TARDIS for a visual interface, and how he doesn't want to see himself as the visual interface as he doesn't like himself. And then all the companions he feels guilty about.

Still, I gotta agree with this io9 review on River: Doctor Who and the One Woman the Doctor Can’t Screw Up

But I have to admit... after "Let's Kill Hitler," I'm... a bit less of a River fan than I was....

But also, the shift from a River who knows more than everybody else to a River who's the only one who knows nothing seemed to sap the character of a lot of energy. She still has power, in that she's able to kill the Doctor, but she knows nothing. Young River is just as pleased with herself as Older River, but from a position of ignorance. If that makes any sense.

And then there's the coda, in which we learn that River became an archeologist for one reason only: To "find a good man." Ummm, eww? So not only are River's birth and death based around the Doctor, but now we find out the only reason she chose her career was so she could get closer to him. River is basically a sort of stalker, and the only reason why the Doctor is so into her, is because she's already successfully stalked him in her future and his past. (And then there's the "and she's a woman" line, which I'm convinced Moffat only threw in to see if he could give some feminists an apoplexy.)


askye - Aug 29, 2011 5:09:57 am PDT #17928 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

I haven't watched this episode but I like reading everyone's comments so I don't mind being spoiled.

I'm not sure if having a best friend she never mentioned before is a big deal. Amy basically rewrote history and brought back her parents so maybe other things in her past were changed too.


tommyrot - Aug 29, 2011 5:17:19 am PDT #17929 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The episode also provides a good example of what can happen if you try to change something that's a fixed point in time. Mels' attempt to kill Hitler not only resulted in Hitler being saved, but in Hitler shooting Mels as well.

"In Soviet Russia, Hitler kills you!"


Shir - Aug 29, 2011 9:32:24 am PDT #17930 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

tommy - brilliant catch.


Polter-Cow - Aug 29, 2011 9:51:09 am PDT #17931 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Those time-traveling justice goons seem to be morons, however. They had gone through all the preparation and were THIS close to killing Hitler before they suddenly realized they were WAY TOO EARLY??