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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Frankenbuddha - Apr 13, 2008 4:00:47 am PDT #1731 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

But she might also be the little girl who stopped death the last time (like Owen did this time)?


Glamcookie - Apr 13, 2008 5:27:37 pm PDT #1732 of 30001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

The Adama/Roslin scene just about broke me. Adama is mean when he's drunk.

I know! He made her effin cry. Roslin crying is almost as sad as Scully crying.


Vortex - Apr 13, 2008 7:23:07 pm PDT #1733 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Just watched Torchwood and saw the teaser for next week. All I can say is that hell hath no fury.


victor infante - Apr 14, 2008 4:48:18 am PDT #1734 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

But she might also be the little girl who stopped death the last time (like Owen did this time)?

It's entirely possible, I just don't think we have enough information to assume that.


Fred Pete - Apr 14, 2008 5:38:33 am PDT #1735 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

My observations about TW on BBCA:

Bisexuality, at the least, has been a part of Torchwood for a long time. ("He's very pretty. But not as pretty as you.")

Little girl -- freaky. Beyond that, I got nothing.

Tosh's was the story that got to me. Being blackmailed into spying by people that kidnaped her mother. (Though if I were in Jack's position, I'd have held out the possibility that she would be able to see her mother.)

Sexual tension between Jack and Ianto almost since word one. Though an ideal origins story (okay, not limited to an hour) would have said something about how Ianto got involved in London Torchwood.

Rhys was there, even if he didn't really have anything to do with the framing story. (Although in fairness, the framing story was very minimal.) I suspect that will be a dilemma for Jack down the road -- a civilian who not only knows but plays a role in Torchwood's activities.


Vortex - Apr 14, 2008 5:57:20 am PDT #1736 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Rhys was there, even if he didn't really have anything to do with the framing story. (Although in fairness, the framing story was very minimal.) I suspect that will be a dilemma for Jack down the road -- a civilian who not only knows but plays a role in Torchwood's activities.

I think that it's going to be more of a problem for Gwen. There was a throwaway bit with Rhys saying to Gwen "this could have been you". I think that he's really going to grok how dangerous Torchwood is, and want her to quit because of that.

Also -- Capt. John? Seriously unbalanced.


victor infante - Apr 14, 2008 6:16:48 am PDT #1737 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

victor infante - Apr 14, 2008 6:16:55 am PDT #1738 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

victor infante - Apr 14, 2008 6:17:01 am PDT #1739 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Though if I were in Jack's position, I'd have held out the possibility that she would be able to see her mother.

In fairness, it seems -- reading between the lines of past episodes -- that Jack has long-since relaxed his restrictions on Tosh. She was headed to a family reunion before being sucked back in time to the '40s.

That being said, I'm forced to think about the bit with Tosh seeing a vision of her mother at the end of last season -- I think it's officially unclear whether her mother died sometime between Tosh joining and the series beginning, or if she reacted so viscerally because she doesn't see her often, if at all. The events revealed in this episode certainly add a lot to that one.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 14, 2008 7:04:17 am PDT #1740 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

That being said, I'm forced to think about the bit with Tosh seeing a vision of her mother at the end of last season -- I think it's officially unclear whether her mother died sometime between Tosh joining and the series beginning, or if she reacted so viscerally because she doesn't see her often, if at all. The events revealed in this episode certainly add a lot to that one.

I'd completely forgotten about that. Oh yeah, that does make things very interesting.