These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me.

Jayne ,'The Train Job'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


WindSparrow - May 28, 2011 7:13:21 pm PDT #17253 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Can I just say that the Doctor's habit of referring to Rory as "Rory Pond" just tickles me.


Polter-Cow - May 28, 2011 7:37:28 pm PDT #17254 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Debet, neither could I, but the gangers they'd been dealing with were autonomous living creatures. Ganger!Amy was being controlled by Amy in a harness. It may also be for the sake of Amy and the baby, as labor could be difficult when your consciousness isn't fully in your body.

I feel sorry for everyone who has to wait a week for this episode and another for the next.


WindSparrow - May 28, 2011 7:53:59 pm PDT #17255 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

P-C, that is how I read the situation.


§ ita § - May 28, 2011 7:54:15 pm PDT #17256 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I read that they're supposed to be showing both next week on BBCA. But I haven't checked the schedule.


chrismg - May 28, 2011 8:54:32 pm PDT #17257 of 30001
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

Also, before everyone jumps to the wrong conclusion, remember that Amy first saw Eyepatch Woman in the orphanage, before she was captured by the Silents.


Anne W. - May 29, 2011 2:19:00 am PDT #17258 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Who Ep. 6. Debet, I wondered much the same thing, but I think that the answer as to why the Doctor liquified Ganger!Amy while being solicitious about the rest may have had to do with the reason he was going back specifically to see the flesh in 'its early days.' I think that PC is right, and that rather than being a separate being, Ganger!Amy was simply a conduit for Pregnant!Amy's consciousness.

In any case, I hope the writers are good enough to realize the kind of apparent hypocrisy they've set up and do something like have Rory call the Doctor out on his actions and thereby get us an explanation of why in this case, it wasn't murder.


DebetEsse - May 29, 2011 3:36:16 am PDT #17259 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

P-C & Anne, true, but if you look at all the prior Gangers, there was a good amount of outrage about them, too (the whole thing about the eyes and "why"). And they were being used in the same way as Ganger-Amy.


Anne W. - May 29, 2011 3:44:14 am PDT #17260 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Good point, Debet. I do still hope the show overtly addresses it in the next episode. Rory is an excellent position to do so (and I hope he brings up his time as an Auton, and the Doctor verifying his humanity).

Speaking of Rory, one thing I'm very much looking forward to next week is some good Doctor-Rory interaction. I do hope they make something of the fact that Rory is older than the Doctor in some regards.


Shir - May 29, 2011 9:50:42 am PDT #17261 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

DW: I call HSQ. Mostly because I watched it in less-than-proper-conditions, and now I come here and read stuff and if I thought my head was all confused and boggled at first, now, after reading, a bit of "WTF" and "that episode they speak of sounds interesting. Better watch it" was added to the mix.

In other words: I have no idea what just happened there. Well, I know what happened there, but I don't know why.

BTW, Mr. Moffat. You know you just created yourself gallons of Maybe Futuristic Disappointed Fans who will use Photoshop in order to send you "why?" pictures of their eyes, right?

Actually, forget Moffat. There's a certain one responsible for a certain death of a certain Ianto that should get those eyes staring at him first.


Polter-Cow - May 29, 2011 11:09:03 am PDT #17262 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Someone has made this helpful diagram.