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I think it was a deeply stupid character decision, but Jack has made deeply stupid decisions before.
And in some cases it's worked out in his favor, so it didn't surprise me that he'd try something like that. This time it didn't work though. Painfully so. Which is why I'll be curious with how Jack is acting when he comes back from wherever he's been.
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two things: a) the whole circumstance regarding how Ianto was killed was really stupid and if he encountered these beings before, I think he should know WTF he was dealing with.
b) the grandson thing. that was not the only option. good grief.
Unless we are supposed to get that Jack as a character doesn't grow or learn - in which case I retract the characterization complaint and still go with stupid.
the grandson thing. that was not the only option. good grief.
Within the timeframe, what were the other options?
I lay blame on Ianto being where he was to die on Ianto, not Jack, so I don't hold that against him. And I thought it was that the writers were trying to narrow the list of choices down available to Jack down to 1 very unpleasant one--sacrifice your grandson or the world. It wasn't like the text offered up other alternatives he wilfully avoided.
right, but I'm on record saying I didn't think the writers needed to create this box in which those were the only 2 options. it did not make sense. yes, I get this was moral retribution from earlier decisions, but I didn't agree with this false parallelism in the first place.
I didn't think the writers needed to create this box in which those were the only 2 options
But do you think they did? I mean, he can't have made the wrong choice if canon says there were only two and everyone dies the other way. It becomes an issue of bad storytelling, not OOC behaviour.
yes, I think it is bad storytelling AND bad behavior (esp. with regard to Ianto's death; not speaking to his daughter first was beyond the pale as well).
I got the impression that it was more important (from a writing standpoint) to have Jack suffer as completely as possible than to have a narrative that is dark, but compelling.
Doctor Who, UK, not airing until next week on BBC America:
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ETA:
That ending's gonna screw up so many children, everywhere.
Oh, it really is.
I cannot believe given what they just. established. about the Gangers, that the Doctor disintegrated GangerAmy.
Doctor Who (new episode):
Oh, goody, another sci-fi pregnancy with a woman strapped to a table. Always good.
More Doctor Who Ep 6:
Tom Baker's voice was unexpected, too.