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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Vortex - May 07, 2011 8:07:13 am PDT #16948 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I wasn't surprised by Olivia's death (from the preview I knew there was a funeral and a broken Peter), but the way they did it was pretty shocking.

I actually liked it--no machinations, silly traps, or tricks. Just straight up, bullet through the head. You have to appreciate the simplicity.


Zenkitty - May 07, 2011 8:07:43 am PDT #16949 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Joshua, lose that sweater. It's almost as heinous as alternaMisha's.

It made me think of BBC!Watson with his cuddly sweaters.

I may spend this summer catching up on Fringe and Doctor Who.


WindSparrow - May 07, 2011 12:48:12 pm PDT #16950 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Well, maybe River is a bit better than the Doctor. At least, I like her better

River is human. The Doctor isn't. In many ways he can, even should, be above or outside our likes and dislikes. We can love him or hate him, but he isn't us. River as a member of our species can be liked (or not, but I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone who doesn't, except maybe her prison guards and they don't count here), because she is familiar and we can comprehend her. The Doctor does not always make sense. River Song, even when she is not making sense, she is not making sense in ways that make sense to us. If that makes any sense to you.

Yeah, I'm shutting up now.


Maysa - May 07, 2011 2:22:54 pm PDT #16951 of 30001

(Folks who generally like the show probably shouldn't browse around there much, but I thought this was funny enough to share.)

I've got to say that I agree with a lot of what that guy has to say about Moffat's version of DW. I didn't like this two-parter and it's reminding me of how I felt last season when the first few episodes were written by Steven Moffat. Nothing makes sense - there's a lot of plot trickery that serves absolutely no purpose. The Doctor orchestrates an almost genocidal action against the Silence (while mind-altering the entire human race to kill another species). I love the Doctor more than almost any other fictional character, but I actively dislike him in Moffat's version when he's being flip about implanting subliminal 'kill' messages into people. It's a gross idea.

The only stuff I enjoyed was the River/Doctor relationship and the acting from the four main leads and Mark Sheppard.


tommyrot - May 07, 2011 5:01:07 pm PDT #16952 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Well, that was OK.


Jon B. - May 07, 2011 5:57:40 pm PDT #16953 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

River is human.

Is that canon?


quester - May 07, 2011 6:19:48 pm PDT #16954 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I just watched the Fringe finale! OMGWTF!Disappearing Peter??

First impressions: The Watchers at the end reminded me of the angels from the Wings of Desire-verse.

It was a fifteen year leap into the future, but I was surprised that Olivia's niece was an agent.

Astrid with straight hair was hot, but wrong.

What is up with Broyle's eye?

I wonder what inspired the Viking style funeral? Is it a new cultural norm in this future?

In the "thank you" video, Josh Jackson was cute and thoughtful for thanking the crew and seemed enthused about getting another season. So, I don't think he's leaving.


Theresa - May 07, 2011 8:15:41 pm PDT #16955 of 30001
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

I was shocked by Walternate's statement to Peter that he wanted him to experience loss like he had.

As a parent that goes against any instincts I have felt or seen in other parents. Usually it's too much at the other end of the spectrum making sure the children don't know any of the unhappiness that the parents faced. Sometimes, leading to extremely spoiled children who can't handle adversity, but setting the parenting aside, I don't think making your children suffer is a normal reaction. eta to clarify: The kind of suffering that Walternate was talking about when he meant killing people that Peter loved. Not the time-out kind of suffering. We still enjoy that.

If Peter never existed and they don't remember him, I'm interested to see what they think is the reason for starting down the path of crossing the universes and starting the rifts.

I adore the actor who plays Walter. He changes character's so completely that I am sometimes afraid Walter will stand up straight, assume a more powerful stance and say he was Walternate all along.

I was sad that Astrid couldn't be there for him in his lab. I understood the reason. The straight hair isn't my favorite, but it still worked for her. She's gorgeous either way.


aurelia - May 07, 2011 8:48:34 pm PDT #16956 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

We did still see Peter in the redverse episodes early in the season. I don't doubt that he'll still be present in some way.

I am starting to see the brilliance in removing Peter from inter-universe "peace talks". He is the original point of contention. Cooperation and collaboration may be more likely when no one is trying to win him.

As to Josh Jackson's sweater, I kind of love that he chooses that when the girlfriend isn't around to dress him. [link] (around 4:45)


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - May 08, 2011 1:28:17 pm PDT #16957 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Conversation on twitter just now between Steven Moffat and Neil Gaiman:

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