Couldn't agree with more re: Grey, bonny. It's a bit of a cop out, to my mind. But, at least it means we might get to see Capt. John again! Because, you know, not so evil after all.

Hey, they just advertised Season 4 Doctor Who on BBCA - you know Sciffy on BBCA during an episode of Season 3 of Doctor Who.

The BBCA feed is kind of sucky today. I hope it improves by 8 pm.

loved torchwood tonight. Still processing.

Torchwood tonight (the BBCA broadcast) was pretty frelling devestating. Very THE BODY in some ways, though from a completely different perspective. Jonah's Lovecraftian state was both creepifying and heart-breaking. Intersting name choice too. What good is it to survive the belly of the beast if you are permanently damaged mentally in the process.

"Adrift" (TW) gutted me. I have some problems with the behaviour--mostly on Jack's side, but it's mostly that I want to smack him around, as opposed to feeling he was badly written. He needed to have cut Gwen off at the pass. Because he knows exactly how far she's going to take it. That's why she ended up on the team in the first place, wasn't it?

And his flippant invitation to her to join him and Ianto's sweaty manmeat--so terribly terribly cruel. Ianto's walking an interesting line, being with him and being honest to the rest.

Now that I think about it, Ianto hasn't been in Jack's confidence for that long, right? I mean, they weren't together when the series started, because they couldn't have gotten together until after the cyber-chick episode. He does seem to know every little thing, though.

No retcon for Nicky. She's not just seen something disconcerting, like a blowfish-headed alien. She's had her heart broken and hard and very personally. And they're letting her walk away with that? Hmm.

DW 4.01 ("Partners in Crime") : Well, that was nice enough! I have no great quibbles, no overwhelming love. But even though I started to guess that was Rose there at the end, I found it very chilling for some reason. Her vanishing into thin air? Not helping things. I wonder if Donna will see her likeliness at some point and remember her. Probably not.

I mean, they weren't together when the series started, because they couldn't have gotten together until after the cyber-chick episode.

Define "together."

He needed to have cut Gwen off at the pass. Because he knows exactly how far she's going to take it.

he was thwarted by ianto. If Ianto hadn't given Gwen the GPS system, she never would have found it. He thought that he didn't need to cut her off.

Now that I think about it, Ianto hasn't been in Jack's confidence for that long, right? I mean, they weren't together when the series started, because they couldn't have gotten together until after the cyber-chick episode. He does seem to know every little thing, though.

well, before that, Ianto was the "errand boy". He knew Torchwood's secrets. I mean, he's the one who would have arranged for the boats and hired the staff at the island.

For some reason I assumed they hadn't been groiny until after Cyberwoman. Is that not supported by the text? Is it explicitly contradicted? (TW2x12:Fragments spoiler) at the very least we know he joined more recently than Owen or Tosh, so still a shortish time of familiarity...

It's definitely not explicitly contradicted. (Not that I've spent time thinking about this.)

I am pretty much 50-50 on it. I can easily believe either situation.

We don't know for sure. We do know that something happened before the stopwatch conversation, and they were comfortable enough to get right to it instead of hemming and hawing.