Oh, THATS who she is.
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sumi - Sep 15, 2010 10:48:04 am PDT #14244 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
§ ita § - Sep 15, 2010 10:51:43 am PDT #14245 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I hated her so much in Defying Gravity I find it hard to get past that here.
Typo Boy - Sep 15, 2010 10:51:45 am PDT #14246 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
I'm not grading on a high standard, and yeah, normally do other stuff while watching. One thought: Helen is a really hot villain. But (and I may have said this before) absolutely zero gained by making her H.G. Wells. Nothing would have been lost making her Helen Wells a Victorian era warehouse agent gone bad. (She could even have been related to H.G. Wells.
Also: to me no chance now of canonical sex between her and Myka. Myka is not going to go for an unreformed mass murderer.
-t - Sep 15, 2010 11:04:27 am PDT #14247 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
That explains a lot.
The Defying Gravity connection, that is. Warehouse 13 just makes stuff up for all the historical figures they mention, afaIc, so why not Wells?
Typo Boy - Sep 15, 2010 11:07:20 am PDT #14248 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Warehouse 13 just makes stuff up for all the historical figures they mention, afaIc, so why not Wells?
A) Because it contributes nothing to the plot
B) Because they are normally tossed off explanations of artifacts as opposed to this case where the made up stuff is a description of a continuing character.
-t - Sep 15, 2010 11:14:40 am PDT #14249 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
A) Contributed pretty significantly to the time travel episode, I'd say.
B) Yeah, I don't see what difference that makes. Fast and loose is fast and loose.
Vortex - Sep 15, 2010 11:23:50 am PDT #14250 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I'll bet that a bunch of writers were sitting around and someone said "wouldn't it be cool if HG Wells was a woman?" and off they went.
Theodosia - Sep 15, 2010 11:33:04 am PDT #14251 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
Maybe they thought they could get Malcolm McDowell for the role originally?
Typo Boy - Sep 15, 2010 12:01:16 pm PDT #14252 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
A) Contributed pretty significantly to the time travel episode, I'd say.
So it would have made a difference if Helen had been using someone else's machine both in the present and back in the past rather than one she invented?
B) Yeah, I don't see what difference that makes. Fast and loose is fast and loose.
To me it makes a difference in whether the fast and loose can be moved on from vs. having the fast and loose rubbed in my face. Your fast and loose may vary.
-t - Sep 15, 2010 12:23:16 pm PDT #14253 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
So it would have made a difference if Helen had been using someone else's machine both in the present and back in the past rather than one she invented?
It would have made a difference to the story, sure. "Someone used my time machine" is very different from "Someone used the same time machine I used".
It boils down to, I think, there's no reason for her to be H. G. Wells except that this is the kind of show where she has to be Someone. There was an artifact fairly early on, I forget which one, that really ticked me off because the person associated with it was someone I happened to know a lot about and whatever they said about this particular artifact's history was just wrong wrongity wrong, OMG, I was very annoyed. But they (writers, producers, etc) didn't care about that person's history as much as I did, and they don't care about H. G. Wells as much as you do, and that's all there is to it. It's kind of a basic part of the show, I think.