I'm just, uh, just feeling kinda... truthsome right now. And, uh... life's just too damn short for ifs and maybes.

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-t - Sep 15, 2010 11:04:27 am PDT #14247 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

That explains a lot.

The Defying Gravity connection, that is. Warehouse 13 just makes stuff up for all the historical figures they mention, afaIc, so why not Wells?


Typo Boy - Sep 15, 2010 11:07:20 am PDT #14248 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Warehouse 13 just makes stuff up for all the historical figures they mention, afaIc, so why not Wells?

A) Because it contributes nothing to the plot

B) Because they are normally tossed off explanations of artifacts as opposed to this case where the made up stuff is a description of a continuing character.


-t - Sep 15, 2010 11:14:40 am PDT #14249 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

A) Contributed pretty significantly to the time travel episode, I'd say.

B) Yeah, I don't see what difference that makes. Fast and loose is fast and loose.


Vortex - Sep 15, 2010 11:23:50 am PDT #14250 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I'll bet that a bunch of writers were sitting around and someone said "wouldn't it be cool if HG Wells was a woman?" and off they went.


Theodosia - Sep 15, 2010 11:33:04 am PDT #14251 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Maybe they thought they could get Malcolm McDowell for the role originally?


Typo Boy - Sep 15, 2010 12:01:16 pm PDT #14252 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

A) Contributed pretty significantly to the time travel episode, I'd say.

So it would have made a difference if Helen had been using someone else's machine both in the present and back in the past rather than one she invented?

B) Yeah, I don't see what difference that makes. Fast and loose is fast and loose.

To me it makes a difference in whether the fast and loose can be moved on from vs. having the fast and loose rubbed in my face. Your fast and loose may vary.


-t - Sep 15, 2010 12:23:16 pm PDT #14253 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

So it would have made a difference if Helen had been using someone else's machine both in the present and back in the past rather than one she invented?

It would have made a difference to the story, sure. "Someone used my time machine" is very different from "Someone used the same time machine I used".

It boils down to, I think, there's no reason for her to be H. G. Wells except that this is the kind of show where she has to be Someone. There was an artifact fairly early on, I forget which one, that really ticked me off because the person associated with it was someone I happened to know a lot about and whatever they said about this particular artifact's history was just wrong wrongity wrong, OMG, I was very annoyed. But they (writers, producers, etc) didn't care about that person's history as much as I did, and they don't care about H. G. Wells as much as you do, and that's all there is to it. It's kind of a basic part of the show, I think.


Jon B. - Sep 15, 2010 4:05:10 pm PDT #14254 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I've been enjoying W13. Sure, the plots are fluff, but I think the relationships between the characters is pretty mature for a show of its kind. And they give good banter.


§ ita § - Sep 15, 2010 5:16:10 pm PDT #14255 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The best SFF cliffhangers. Some pretty good stuff on there.


tommyrot - Sep 15, 2010 5:38:05 pm PDT #14256 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

See, I know if I fall too far behind on io9, ita will scoop me.

Cool list, although I've seen less than half of them.