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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


§ ita § - Jul 30, 2010 8:11:16 pm PDT #13851 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

::purses lips::

I paid more attention to the B and C plots. I thought Zoe and Jack were very sweet (and he was very lucky), and although I'm still anti Jo/Zane, I liked the trust she placed in him, and how they worked together.

Learning that Fargo is a figurehead explains *so* much.

The bit where Allison jacks up the experiment was very silly.

And the continued Jack+Jo bonding is great. Let's have a good friendship here.

But I do want to know more about suddenly married Henly. His new reality must be the hardest to muddle through, and yet we see so little of it.

I think you integrated yourself better into the flow of the story this time, CFerg.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 30, 2010 8:20:51 pm PDT #13852 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Hey, CFerg. Good to see your fonts. Liked the delivery of the episode, though, like others, I didn't buy that Allison would do that, even as freaked out as she is about the change to Kevin.

Loved the Jack and Zoe bits. Loved.


Vortex - Jul 30, 2010 8:23:07 pm PDT #13853 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Great directing job, CFerg!


CFerg - Jul 30, 2010 8:33:23 pm PDT #13854 of 30001

Thanks guys!

Me neither on the Allison front. At all. Ever. Never liked it. But it was strange to see two very distinct camps from the writers:

one that said it's horrible parenting and she would never do it and the other that said they both would and have done similar.

I lost.....

I finished watching it and have no distance on it. They wrote it 11 minutes long so whole scenes had to go and a lot of connective tissue... that's what I miss. A lot of jokes went...

Todd gets the credit for the edit though. Fixing an episode that is THAT long is really tough and we both broke our hearts losing some stuff.


CFerg - Jul 30, 2010 8:36:55 pm PDT #13855 of 30001

I do hope it worked all in all though.

I also cared most about the B and C plots - which annoyingly puts me in agreement with ita...

I wanted to do the Zane/Jo plot line a bit more justice than it had been done so far. So it pleased me to see why they were attracted to each other again - for me anyway.

... and of course I love me some Jordan....always will....

I hope it worked all in all though. An Invisible oxygen cloud and space rockets doesn't give a guy a lot to shoot....


§ ita § - Jul 30, 2010 8:46:21 pm PDT #13856 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

which annoyingly puts me in agreement with ita

Oh, you know I'm right about this shit. Ain't no shame in admitting that.

The idea of a tech-enabled helicopter parent is quite terrifying. No doubt Eureka would have some, but does it have to be one of our leads? No way is that sympathetic behaviour, even if she is adjusting from him being autistic.

If you have to do Jo/Zane again, maybe it can be done right this time. He doesn't have to be quite the dismissive ass he was last season.

Bummed that Jordan's show didn't work out, but really great to see the father/daughter pair back.


CFerg - Jul 30, 2010 8:57:08 pm PDT #13857 of 30001

I should also say, that all I get to do is a director's edit.

The show is then passed off to the producers and to the network and they both have their way with it.

So the show that airs doesn't really resemble the show I shot in some places. How a second more here and there radically changes the mood of a character or scene.

Or how someone not liking something completely changes some poor actor's performance.

...it's a disclaimer.... but it's also true....


Frankenbuddha - Jul 30, 2010 10:07:35 pm PDT #13858 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Deleted scenes on the DVDs perhaps? One can hope, at least.


Jessica - Jul 31, 2010 2:21:23 am PDT #13859 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I like this Jo/Zane better than the previous version - my objection was always to how they got together (being a pushy asshole is not an attractive seduction method!) so seeing her be the pursuer works better for me.

(Of course, her attraction to this Zane is based on her memories of the old one, so in the end it's still the same story, but I'm willing to be persuaded.)

Henry - "the problem of the hotel room"? Has he been faking a headache since they got back, or sleeping at his office? DUDE YOU HAVE TO TELL YOUR WIFE YOU DON'T KNOW HER.


Theodosia - Jul 31, 2010 4:28:12 am PDT #13860 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

CFerg, I think Carter is one of the great TV parents. I'm so glad it worked out that Zoe could feature in an episode, because the emotional relationship is so important to Carter that it just shoudln't have disappeared from the season entirely!

I'm afraid I'm in the camp that finds Allison's action out of character. I'll wave my hands and consider it in light of the emotional stress of the alternate timeline switching, but only because the show has earned a lot of my fondness. :-)

Loved the invisible cat... I have an all-too-visible cat who gets into a whole lot of trouble, and if there was a spray can of Match Mist around, you know she'd somehow trigger it.

Just what the world needs... stealth cats.