You got all kinds of learnin' and you made me look the fool without tryin', and yet here I am with a gun to your head. That's 'cause I got people with me. People who trust each other, who do for each other, and ain't always lookin' for the advantage.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Jon B. - Apr 10, 2010 6:25:06 pm PDT #12587 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

New Doctor Who: I'm glad they've stopped being cruel to the space-whale but how about their own people? Weren't they feeding grown-ups and misbehaving kids (after they'd grown up) to the whale?


DCJensen - Apr 10, 2010 7:19:30 pm PDT #12588 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Doctor Who #11, Episode 2, too:

I'm amused that the Queen was named Elizabeth. heh.

Also, as for the companion's costume if it was good enough for 10 and Arthur Dent...


Consuela - Apr 10, 2010 8:05:48 pm PDT #12589 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Less than five minutes into Doctor Who 5.02, I must ask:

has Stephen Moffat read James Blish? Because seriously. It's just a bit of a complete ripoff of Cities in Flight.


Fiona - Apr 10, 2010 10:46:55 pm PDT #12590 of 30001

Who 2: I was a bit meh on the episode until Liz showed up, and then the whole thing gelled nicely. Although the whole concept did seem familiar, and I've never even heard of the thing Consuela refers to .

I do very much like the way that Steven Moffat is establishing the Doctor's continuity while letting Eleven be his own man. Lots of references back but not in a forced way. And Amy certainly made her mark .


Anne W. - Apr 11, 2010 3:38:15 am PDT #12591 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

New Who: I wish I could take credit for this observation, but the crack that we see in the Spaceship UK not only matches the crack we saw in Amy's room, but it also matches a line we see in the oscilloscope in the new Tardis.

What I did notice when I went to verify, was that we get a good look at the oscilloscope right by the Doctor's head while he Amy is asking why he's taking her along of all people. What I noticed on rewatch was that the Doctor did see what was on the oscilloscope screen, and was VERY quick to turn it off when he 'promised' Amy that he was only asking her along because he was lonely.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Apr 11, 2010 5:52:03 am PDT #12592 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Doctor Who, ep 2: Flippin' 'eck, do I like Smith's very controlled mood swings. Drawing a little bit on Nine, I feel. Losing it at humans in Amy's direction confused me, until The Girl reminded me that it had echoes of the rant directed at Wilf, which for the Doctor might have been just days ago. The continuity of that was good - showing him learning how not to be lonely is a nice touch. The plot meant this ep felt like a bit of a filler, although Liz Ten was fun, but the Amy and Doctor interaction was really solid and made the episode.

ita, re your comment that "The Doctor needs edge" - I think they're showing signs of working on that. I still think the slapstick opener of ep 1 was to establish the fact that he wasn't cooked yet (anyone for Buffy baking analogies?) and they won't be going back there. They still have to make up for it, though.

What's with the Doctor telling Amy he never interferes in other races' affairs? It's like he's been watching Star Trek and resolving to do better. It's a good thing he's gone off the idea by the end of the episode.

The lies of omission are interesting. Amy quickly working out that he's very old is a good sign that she's going to see through them (although I could have done without the MAKING IT VERY CLEAR TO THE AUDIENCE REPEATEDLY THAT THE WHALE IS LIKE THE DOCTOR).

Anne, re the cracks. I haven't noticed the one in the TARDIS - is that ep 1? I'll have to go and re-watch. Liking the concept of a cracked universe.


Anne W. - Apr 11, 2010 6:36:56 am PDT #12593 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Seska, I'm reading the non-intereference statement as a way of trying to distance himself from the Ten we saw at the end of Waters of Mars. I think non-interference will not be an option, but I think this Doctor will try to use some degree of temperance in his affairs.

As for the crack in the TARDIS, it's towards the end (a little after the 1 hour mark on my download), when Amy and the Doctor are talking about why he's taking her with him. It's a jaggedy line on what looks like an oscilloscope. The Doctor is very quick to turn off the monitor after promising Amy he has no other reason for taking her along.

My hope is that I'm not reading too much into this, and that Eleven has a secretive and manipulative streak much like Seven's.


Consuela - Apr 11, 2010 7:53:04 am PDT #12594 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm so pleased that I did in fact notice the crack in the Tardis machine in the first episode. Continuity yay!


Polter-Cow - Apr 11, 2010 11:23:11 am PDT #12595 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I didn't notice the crack in the oscilloscope until it was pointed out, but oooh.

I loved that Amy's first reaction to being in the far future was that she's been dead for centuries.

Hey, wait, we never saw Amy send the message to herself. Are we to assume it happened before that scene and she hit Forget or something?

DCJ, re: the name of the Queen. Amused? I think she was meant to be a direct descendant; it wasn't just a reference. Right?

I'm enjoying the difference in characterization and reactions that Eleven has. His response to being the only Time Lord and all the Gallifrey and Time War stuff was so completely different from Ten's immense angst, it was startling, but it still worked. I believed that he's really trying to move past it while not forgetting it.


Jon B. - Apr 11, 2010 12:15:53 pm PDT #12596 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I also did not notice the "crack" in the oscilloscope, but just rewatched that bit. Whoa.