Anya, the Shopkeepers of America called. They wanted me to tell you that 'please go' just got replaced with 'have a nice day.'

Xander ,'Selfless'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


smonster - Jan 05, 2010 3:51:25 am PST #11653 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

The rest of the cast can act;

But not necessarily do accents (yes, still stuck on that).


Kathy A - Jan 05, 2010 6:47:19 am PST #11654 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I'm personally still holding out for Ace to return.

I'd love to see what Ace is doing twenty years on! And since we never saw her leave the show, we have no idea where she might be.

ETA: I always liked her--she was so impulsive. Like Leela, only with explosives!


Kathy A - Jan 05, 2010 7:37:16 am PST #11655 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

David Tennant's farewell speech on set.


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2010 10:57:02 am PST #11656 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Sighhh.....

Reason 4,691 I should be Trudy Tennant.


DCJensen - Jan 05, 2010 7:15:34 pm PST #11657 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I thought that Mickey/Martha showed just how much character growth Mickey had gone through.

I mean we are a long way from "I'm the tin dog!" realization. He has built up to the potential he showed in the alternate reality (boyfriend notwithstanding).

Also, we don't know where in their time lines that scene was IRT Martha and Mickey, could be a couple years hence...


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2010 9:48:35 pm PST #11658 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Good point, that could have been a dead husband down the road or whatever.


WindSparrow - Jan 06, 2010 3:16:03 am PST #11659 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Good point, that could have been a dead husband down the road or whatever.

Heh. Ever so cheerful.


Vortex - Jan 06, 2010 4:59:44 am PST #11660 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Also, we don't know where in their time lines that scene was IRT Martha and Mickey, could be a couple years hence...

I assumed that it was several years in the future, as evidenced by the full beard on Mickey and the different hair on Martha :)


Frankenbuddha - Jan 06, 2010 8:25:42 am PST #11661 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Boston area-istas - The Brattle theater is showing Turn Left, Stolen Earth & Journey's End on Saturday. It starts at 9:30 pm, though, so it will go fairly late (they say 135 minutes, but it's GOT to be longer than that).


DebetEsse - Jan 06, 2010 8:44:39 am PST #11662 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

In re: Being Human, ita said:

FTR, I think the male werewolf in that story is just as much a victim--in fact, incredibly victimy, more than Oz or Veruca ever was. At least to start out.

I agree that he's very victim. But, at the same time, the constant conversation about "It's not me, it's a thing that happened to me, it's outside of me. Really, not me." Especially when contrasted, as Mitchel pointed out, by him using the first person to refer to the wolf in the finale, makes it a more nuanced metaphor. Especially with the impact it had on his relationship with Nina, and the bleedover into his "real life" around the moon, it isn't nearly as separate as Joss's werewolves.

I agree that Veruca, in particular, was not at all victimy, but (and it's been a few years) my recollection is that she was all about the sexy sexy Id/wolf and not the rip-things-to-shreds Id/wolf, which, to me, makes there be little metaphorical difference between vampire and werewolf. So, I really hope that Nina stays around, because I'd like to see someone actually do that story. She's always been pretty assertive, and for her to deal with what happens when your aggression has actual teeth (as opposed to the vampires, which are a sort of hybrid sexual/addiction metaphor) would be worth exploring.