Boston area-istas - The Brattle theater is showing Turn Left, Stolen Earth & Journey's End on Saturday. It starts at 9:30 pm, though, so it will go fairly late (they say 135 minutes, but it's GOT to be longer than that).

In re: Being Human, ita said:

FTR, I think the male werewolf in that story is just as much a victim--in fact, incredibly victimy, more than Oz or Veruca ever was. At least to start out.

I agree that he's very victim. But, at the same time, the constant conversation about "It's not me, it's a thing that happened to me, it's outside of me. Really, not me." Especially when contrasted, as Mitchel pointed out, by him using the first person to refer to the wolf in the finale, makes it a more nuanced metaphor. Especially with the impact it had on his relationship with Nina, and the bleedover into his "real life" around the moon, it isn't nearly as separate as Joss's werewolves.

I agree that Veruca, in particular, was not at all victimy, but (and it's been a few years) my recollection is that she was all about the sexy sexy Id/wolf and not the rip-things-to-shreds Id/wolf, which, to me, makes there be little metaphorical difference between vampire and werewolf. So, I really hope that Nina stays around, because I'd like to see someone actually do that story. She's always been pretty assertive, and for her to deal with what happens when your aggression has actual teeth (as opposed to the vampires, which are a sort of hybrid sexual/addiction metaphor) would be worth exploring.

I agree that Veruca, in particular, was not at all victimy, but (and it's been a few years) my recollection is that she was all about the sexy sexy Id/wolf and not the rip-things-to-shreds Id/wolf, which, to me, makes there be little metaphorical difference between vampire and werewolf.

I'd say she was about the sexy sexy Id when not a wolf and all about the rip-to-shreds Id when in wolf form. I'm curious if she wanted to be in wolf form to get rid of Willow because she couldn't bring herself to do it as a human, or if she just thought it would cover her tracks better (at least with the official authorities - Oz was going to see right through it).

As for Nina on Angel, I don't think she was any more victimy than Oz was at first. It looked like she got into the same routine of locking herself up around the moon (puppet!Angel just happened to get too close to the cage).

Nina on Angel reads to me as much as a disease metaphor as an id one: it's a condition you manage, rather than a part of your self to be incorporated, embraced, subdued, whatever.

I think of the three of them on Being Human, George started out the most dissociated from his condition, and like Annie, came around. But I do think that his dissociation and especially his relationship with the guy that turned him were victim-like behaviour.

As for Nina, remains to be seen. Whatever gave her her scars isn't slowing her down in her present day. So I hope she's similarly tenacious with this curveball.

Exactly. It's a story I want to see them tell, rather than crap out and move her away or kill her off.

I forget if it's been mentioned here, but Series 2 of Being Human premieres this Sunday on BBC3 in the UK. No idea if it'll air here, what with the USAified version in development.

Yeah. We were re-watching Series 1 in preparation for Series 2.

Ahh, I hadn't caught up in the Movies thread.

I've been thinking of Being Human ever since Midshipman Frame showed up in The End of Time. It's harder now knowing there is a series 2 and I have to wait. I have a lot of issues with the show (and D won't shut up about Mitchell walking around in the daylight) but I fell in love with the characters.