Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.

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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Trudy Booth - Jan 04, 2010 8:11:25 pm PST #11649 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Is RTD really correct in assuming that future writers and showrunners won't want to use any of the old cast? (With Donna maybe being the exception.)

Did he say that? I didn't think it was his assumption but other peoples, um, assumption of his assumption. Any writer with the slightest imagination could riff off of any of those vignets.

I'm not getting what's so dreadful about him having a Doctor version of "dying in bed surrounded by fat grandchildren" He's spent the past however long saying he needed to be alone and at his death he realized he did not, he went ahead and loved them. It was good old-fashioned character arc, imho.


Typo Boy - Jan 04, 2010 9:12:39 pm PST #11650 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Did he say that?

I was actually asking if that was a reasonable interpretation. I always thought one of the point of the Doctor (even the original) was that the past was never really dead, that anyone could be a continuing character. I mean I don't see why Donna and Martha and Rose and Donna's mother shouldn't continue to pop up. They could just write everyone out and start fresh, but having established all of this back story why wouldn't they take advantage of it?


Trudy Booth - Jan 04, 2010 9:17:09 pm PST #11651 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Heh. You and I manage to circutiously agree about 99% of the time. I think its our initials.


Fiona - Jan 05, 2010 12:12:32 am PST #11652 of 30001

Is RTD really correct in assuming that future writers and showrunners won't want to use any of the old cast?

Did he say that?

Yes, in the Confidential.

Actually, he said something like: he doesn't know whether or not they'll be used again, but has no reason to assume they will; new crew, new stories, and all that. Unfortunately I've already deleted the Confidential from my PVR or I'd go and write up the quote verbatim.

I don't think it really matters whether or not we'll see these characters again, it was DT and RTD saying goodbye through the Doctor.


smonster - Jan 05, 2010 3:51:25 am PST #11653 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

The rest of the cast can act;

But not necessarily do accents (yes, still stuck on that).


Kathy A - Jan 05, 2010 6:47:19 am PST #11654 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I'm personally still holding out for Ace to return.

I'd love to see what Ace is doing twenty years on! And since we never saw her leave the show, we have no idea where she might be.

ETA: I always liked her--she was so impulsive. Like Leela, only with explosives!


Kathy A - Jan 05, 2010 7:37:16 am PST #11655 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

David Tennant's farewell speech on set.


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2010 10:57:02 am PST #11656 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Sighhh.....

Reason 4,691 I should be Trudy Tennant.


DCJensen - Jan 05, 2010 7:15:34 pm PST #11657 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I thought that Mickey/Martha showed just how much character growth Mickey had gone through.

I mean we are a long way from "I'm the tin dog!" realization. He has built up to the potential he showed in the alternate reality (boyfriend notwithstanding).

Also, we don't know where in their time lines that scene was IRT Martha and Mickey, could be a couple years hence...


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2010 9:48:35 pm PST #11658 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Good point, that could have been a dead husband down the road or whatever.