I haven't seen the Water special but I saw Journey's End. I haven't even seen the series with Donna but I cried when she forgot it was so...all the hope and how she finally, finally was good with herself and who she was. And all that had to go away. Oh and when the Doctor told her mother off. That was great.
No power in the 'verse can stop me.
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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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askye - Dec 20, 2009 5:02:26 pm PST #11319 of 30001
Thrive to spite them
Connie Neil - Dec 20, 2009 5:15:01 pm PST #11320 of 30001
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How did the Master manage not to regenerate? Is that something all of them can do?
§ ita § - Dec 20, 2009 5:19:21 pm PST #11321 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Well, I don't think it's anything they've said has to happen, so I guess it's one of the easier retcons out there.
The way The Doctor talked, it sounded like an exceptional choice to make, but a choice nonetheless.
askye - Dec 20, 2009 5:26:44 pm PST #11322 of 30001
Thrive to spite them
I was trying to figure out how they could get around it, and what if they say that the 12 regenerations isn't a physical limit but something that was imposed by the Time Lords as a group so there weren't Time Lords living forever. So it's a choice and that way the Doctor could chose to keep living and keep regenerating.
askye - Dec 20, 2009 5:35:37 pm PST #11323 of 30001
Thrive to spite them
I have a question about Rose and the Doctor and their relationship.
We were supposed to get out of it that she was in love with (or more in love with) Ten specifically rather than loving the Doctor in his entirety? Or maybe that it was this regeneration of the Doctor that loved her and if he regenerated that would change?
Does that make sense? She was so upset when he was going to regenerate it seems that it was Ten specifically she wanted.
§ ita § - Dec 20, 2009 5:38:39 pm PST #11324 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think the simple meta is that they're not following any canon, so they can do what they like with regards to regeneration.
Rose was upset when Nine was going to regenerate, so who knows?
askye - Dec 20, 2009 5:45:20 pm PST #11325 of 30001
Thrive to spite them
I could understand her being upset when Nine regenerated because she hadn't experienced it before.
I'm not a huge Doctor/Rose fan. For one thing I was rolling my eyes with Rose acting like she was the first Companion ever when Martha was mentioned "I was there first". Nope, not really, especially with Sarah Jane there.
sumi - Dec 20, 2009 6:12:23 pm PST #11326 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
Hey, I just saw an ad for Life on Mars on WTTW - i.e., Chicago PBS. It was fun - because they ran an ad for Doctor Who with the Master right before it.
victor infante - Dec 20, 2009 6:48:27 pm PST #11327 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Does that make sense? She was so upset when he was going to regenerate it seems that it was Ten specifically she wanted.
OK. Walk the question backward a bit: You're in love with someone and, in a heartbeat, they're about to look different and undergo a personality shift, which could very well entail that person not having feelings for you. Yeah, I'd think that would be distressing.
§ ita § - Dec 20, 2009 6:58:21 pm PST #11328 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
You're in love with someone and, in a heartbeat, they're about to look different and undergo a personality shift, which could very well entail that person not having feelings for you.
But the first time it happened it didn't ruin things. And he's shown his devotion to people runs through regenerations.