Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.

Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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§ ita § - Dec 20, 2009 6:58:21 pm PST #11328 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You're in love with someone and, in a heartbeat, they're about to look different and undergo a personality shift, which could very well entail that person not having feelings for you.

But the first time it happened it didn't ruin things. And he's shown his devotion to people runs through regenerations.


Fiona - Dec 21, 2009 12:38:30 am PST #11329 of 30001

It still takes a bit of getting used to, though.

Actually, Trek (TNG) covered the same ground rather well too, I thought, in the episode where Dr. Crusher falls in love with a Trill.


Theodosia - Dec 21, 2009 2:08:36 am PST #11330 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Finally weakened and found my way to a copy of Waters through unapproved means. Quite worth the effort!

I did keep urging the characters to put on those handy spacesuits that they had sitting around, but they never listen to me.


DebetEsse - Dec 21, 2009 3:43:51 am PST #11331 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I just re-watched Journey's End last night. I had forgotten enough details about the hybrid doctor that I now want to re-watch Waters of Mars particularly, with the foreshadowing and whatnot. I don't feel any particular need to watch Next Doctor or the desert one.


victor infante - Dec 21, 2009 4:11:25 am PST #11332 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

But the first time it happened it didn't ruin things. And he's shown his devotion to people runs through regenerations.

It did, and he has. But remember, Nine also very clearly said goodbye to her, too:

The Doctor: Yeah. Doin' it now. See, Time Lords have this little trick, it's sort of a way of cheating death. Except.... it means I'm gonna change. And you're not gonna see me again... Not like this. Not with this daft old face. And before I go-

Rose: Don't say that!

The Doctor: Rose... before I go, I just wanna tell you: you were fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. And d'you know what? [Pause] So was I!

I think it's natural to think of death as an either/or proposition, but with the Doctor, that might not entirely be the case. It seems more as though an aspect of him is dead with each regeneration. A point of view, perhaps, for fear of paraphrasing "Sandman." But I think it's clear that, whatever happens when he regenerates, it's a bit more than a makeover.


victor infante - Dec 21, 2009 4:11:26 am PST #11333 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

§ ita § - Dec 21, 2009 4:29:00 am PST #11334 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I would have thought that what didn't happen with Nine would have served as a bit of a balm. Sure, it's unnerving, but it hardly rerouted things.


smonster - Dec 21, 2009 5:11:15 am PST #11335 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Hitch-Hiker's Guide on Daleks:

Hee.


Kathy A - Dec 21, 2009 6:10:05 am PST #11336 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

She was so upset when he was going to regenerate it seems that it was Ten specifically she wanted.

But the first time it happened it didn't ruin things. And he's shown his devotion to people runs through regenerations.

Actually, I think that the relationship between Rose and the Doctor changed between Nine and Ten. With Nine, there was closeness and a non-physical love, but she was so touchy-feely with Ten that I'm convinced they were keeping busy in the TARDIS bedroom. So I can understand her being upset over the possibility of Ten regenerating during Journey's End.

Hey, I just saw an ad for Life on Mars on WTTW - i.e., Chicago PBS.

Oooh, really? That's great!

I taped the full series off of BBCA OnDemand, which I'm pretty sure included the complete episodes as broadcast in the UK, but I still haven't watched them--maybe over Christmas weekend!


Connie Neil - Dec 21, 2009 6:13:01 am PST #11337 of 30001
brillig

With Nine, there was closeness and a non-physical love

Nine was gettin' it from Jack. Or maybe they all were getting it from Jack. He's like that.