That's disturbing. You're emotionally scarred and will end up badly.

Anya ,'Bring On The Night'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


DCJensen - Oct 09, 2009 5:41:48 pm PDT #10273 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Zombies! Zombies on Smallville.


§ ita § - Oct 09, 2009 6:11:06 pm PDT #10274 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

All he has to do is wear a bulletproof vest on that day.

Unless it's armor piercing rounds or a freak shot that hits near the armpit...or whatever it takes to make destiny work.

I hate the new Kate chick on Sanctuary. I don't like the writing and I think the actress is flat.


Jon B. - Oct 09, 2009 6:14:42 pm PDT #10275 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I'm assuming that he saw a body but didn't get a DNA test.

I'm assuming he got a DNA test using quickie-magic-TV-science. I thought I remembered that he had previously seen the remains but that they were unidentifiable.

Not sure what to make of Zoey saying she saw Demetri, though. Is she not to be believed? Or is this our first example of variant futures?

My take is that she saw *someone* in the distance and assumed it was Demitri. We couldn't make out the figures in her flash so why should she?

I want to see people trying to circumvent their fate and fate laughing at them. Or something. Not six months of people accepting the inevitable.

Indeed. I really wanted Demitri to arrest pothead-future-customs-agent guy.


Dana - Oct 09, 2009 6:23:07 pm PDT #10276 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Unless it's armor piercing rounds or a freak shot that hits near the armpit...or whatever it takes to make destiny work.

Sure. I'm just saying, we don't have any proof that destiny would work that way. Or that it is destiny.


§ ita § - Oct 09, 2009 9:53:21 pm PDT #10277 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The little things starting to come together--I'm not sure why Demetri isn't above and beyond the other characters trying to make a different future. Olivia too--she seemed a bit resigned when she met her man. But maybe it's too soon for all of that. Are we a week in yet? But I do see why Mark (Mike? Mr Benford) is placing so much on the accurate depiction of his, and he might not want to fuck with other people's visions as much.

Except for, you know, the boozing thing.

But I it was being accepted that I'd been shot in the chest on a certain day a flak jacket wouldn't help me sleep much. I can't think what would. Currently I'm viewing their futures like the Supernatural episode where they tried to live lives different from what Chuck was prophesying, and how even when you thought you succeeded, you failed.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 10, 2009 5:24:04 am PDT #10278 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Amanda Tapping & Co. managed to entertain me more in the first 5 minutes of last night's Sanctuary premiere than in all two hours of SGUgh.


DCJensen - Oct 10, 2009 5:30:08 am PDT #10279 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

At least this week they answered how LDP was going to stay involved in the series.


Theodosia - Oct 10, 2009 5:35:54 am PDT #10280 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

There HAS to be free will involved as the characters go forward -- if you have SIX MONTHS to prepare for the moment when you're going to have the flash forward moment, would you PLAN to be READING the SPORTS PAGE on the JOHN?

Provided that I wasn't in some position that I could actually Do Something about the worldwide catastrophes, I'd be gathering a list of winning lottery numbers for the past 6 months and memorizing them when the FF moment hits.

It would be worth a try, dammit.


Barb - Oct 10, 2009 5:46:06 am PDT #10281 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

I want to see people trying to circumvent their fate and fate laughing at them. Or something. Not six months of people accepting the inevitable.

I liked the different variations of people accepting or not accepting. Like the customs dude hadn't even applied for the job until he had his flash forward and that's what had compelled him to submit the application-- this vision that he'd seen of himself. Which of course then makes me wonder if Demetri's going to wind up busting him for the bong-- because if he can affect that guy's future-- keep him from becoming a customs officer, then maybe he can affect his own future.

This show is a mind fuck in the best of ways.


Kristen - Oct 10, 2009 6:35:31 am PDT #10282 of 30001

Also, if John Cho dies from getting shot in the chest? All he has to do is wear a bulletproof vest on that day.

If he did manage to avoid getting murdered that day, would he step outside the next day and get hit by a bus? I'm not sure yet where the show is going on this.

It's disbelief-suspension-stretching enough that Demitri could get all the strings pulled that quickly to get the grave exhumed, but no mention was made of the super-secret FBI 5-minute DNA test.

I was bothered that he said he wanted to check her remains against the DNA records on file. Because, if you're going to the trouble of having your daughter's remains exhumed, based on the premise that she's alive, maybe you should consider that the records on file were wrong and that was how she was misidentified in the first place. IJS.