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Spike's Bitches 38: Well, This Is Just...Neat.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Beverly - Nov 19, 2007 4:42:59 pm PST #4814 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Oh Ginger. It's at points like those that I contemplate becoming Amish. And starting out for a destination, like, days ago. Wishing you clear lanes all the way tomorrow.

JZ, that's disappointing. And I don't have the least idea what to tell you. If it will be a better working environment, that helps a lot. If there's possibility for advancement and raises, that's important, too. I'm sorry it wasn't what you were hoping for.

C~ma to askye.


Dana - Nov 19, 2007 4:44:12 pm PST #4815 of 10002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

JZ, I think it can't hurt to ask for more. Especially if you have a basis for it, like another job offer.


Vortex - Nov 19, 2007 4:49:06 pm PST #4816 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

What do I do now?

counter offer. "Thank you very much for the offer. I am very excited by the prospect of working with you, but I had hoped that the salary would be in the range of ____. Would this be possible?


sj - Nov 19, 2007 5:03:04 pm PST #4817 of 10002
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I agree with the advice to counter offer, JZ. Good luck.


-t - Nov 19, 2007 5:05:48 pm PST #4818 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Counter offer sounds like a good idea, Vortex's wording is smashing. Don't forget, JZ, you had another excellent interview.


meara - Nov 19, 2007 5:06:26 pm PST #4819 of 10002

What Vortex said. Especially if you think there's any chance the other place will have an offer for you. If you think the other place will offer really SOON (like, tomorrow), ask just for time to consider first, and then call back and say "I considered, have another offer for more, really liked you, is it possible you could bring it to $X?" kinda thing (obviously not that wording)


NoiseDesign - Nov 19, 2007 5:06:47 pm PST #4820 of 10002
Our wings are not tired

Yeah, I always say the first offer is just their low bid.


javachik - Nov 19, 2007 5:25:03 pm PST #4821 of 10002
Our wings are not tired.

Yup. What they say. Counter. The only rule of negotiation is that it takes two to actually negotiate. And don't forget that women often are less aggressive than men when it comes to salaries...one of the reasons we make less than 80% (last I looked) for the same position.


ChiKat - Nov 19, 2007 5:26:26 pm PST #4822 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Yeah, I always say the first offer is just their low bid.

This. So very much this. Vortex, meara and ND are wise.

I am now to the hacking up a lung stage of my cold. I knew it would come and woot! Here it is.


meara - Nov 19, 2007 5:27:33 pm PST #4823 of 10002

Ooh, and JZ, did you go through a recruiter on either of them? If so the recruiter should be dealing, but if not...Because you could in theory call the other place that hasn't offered, and let them know you HAVE an offer, just to put the fire under them (and help let you know if you're negotiating from a position of strength (two companies wanting you) or weakness).