I agree with the advice to counter offer, JZ. Good luck.
I'm not sure how old he is, but I heard him use the word 'newfangled' one time, so he's gotta be pretty far gone.
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sj - Nov 19, 2007 5:03:04 pm PST #4817 of 10002
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
-t - Nov 19, 2007 5:05:48 pm PST #4818 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Counter offer sounds like a good idea, Vortex's wording is smashing. Don't forget, JZ, you had another excellent interview.
meara - Nov 19, 2007 5:06:26 pm PST #4819 of 10002
What Vortex said. Especially if you think there's any chance the other place will have an offer for you. If you think the other place will offer really SOON (like, tomorrow), ask just for time to consider first, and then call back and say "I considered, have another offer for more, really liked you, is it possible you could bring it to $X?" kinda thing (obviously not that wording)
NoiseDesign - Nov 19, 2007 5:06:47 pm PST #4820 of 10002
Our wings are not tired
Yeah, I always say the first offer is just their low bid.
javachik - Nov 19, 2007 5:25:03 pm PST #4821 of 10002
Our wings are not tired.
Yup. What they say. Counter. The only rule of negotiation is that it takes two to actually negotiate. And don't forget that women often are less aggressive than men when it comes to salaries...one of the reasons we make less than 80% (last I looked) for the same position.
ChiKat - Nov 19, 2007 5:26:26 pm PST #4822 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
Yeah, I always say the first offer is just their low bid.
This. So very much this. Vortex, meara and ND are wise.
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meara - Nov 19, 2007 5:27:33 pm PST #4823 of 10002
Ooh, and JZ, did you go through a recruiter on either of them? If so the recruiter should be dealing, but if not...Because you could in theory call the other place that hasn't offered, and let them know you HAVE an offer, just to put the fire under them (and help let you know if you're negotiating from a position of strength (two companies wanting you) or weakness).
tommyrot - Nov 19, 2007 5:29:05 pm PST #4824 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
There can be only one... job.
Two job offers enter, one leaves!
Emily - Nov 19, 2007 5:36:55 pm PST #4825 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola
Thanks, t!
JZ, I'm fuzzy on that math. Do your taxes go up THAT much more that it'll eat half the extra?
Also, I wish you the very best. All the negotiating stuff makes me extremely glad I work in a fixed-salary career, just because I'm so awful at that kind of stuff. I would hug you! And Matilda!
I was looking through my grandmother's cookbook and found a page out of another cookbook which seems to have been compiled entirely from the town my mother grew up in. How old was this cookbook? Well, the ad for the furniture store (and funeral and ambulance service) listed their phone number as 24. Naturally, I had to call my mother, and... well, I didn't get any papers graded tonight. Ah well. Wish I could find this original cookbook, though.
JZ - Nov 19, 2007 5:40:49 pm PST #4826 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
I think I have, at last count, five recruiters, but both these jobs were my own Craigslist finds.
I feel a little better. I'd been just staring at the offer and thinking, "Is this all you think I'm worth? That's it? God, I must suck worse than I thought." It never really occurred to me that I had a right to counter.
eta: Erin, I have no idea what taxes will do, but I calculated the biweekly and monthly amounts from the per-hour amount they quoted, and it came out to a pre-tax amount exactly $200 more a month than my current pre-tax amount.