I have the bob, but I want to find out how to do, I think they are called "marcelled" waves. Mostly I have seen pix of black flappers with the marcelling, but is it a style peculiar to African-American hair, or can I reproduce the look with product and pins?

Same thing as finger waves? I know Hec's posted instructions for those before.

See, I think part of the issue here is that people are trying to define Poly based on outward actions...

I thought the discussion was more along the lines of trying to define poly relationships, not poly people.

people are trying to define Poly based on outward actions

I'm more basing my definition of Poly on intentions, not neccessarily actions. Meaning, I love my friend Chris. If he and I were to find ourselves not married, we would probably be together. But I don't intend to have sex with him. It doesn't change my level of feelings for him, nor his for me, nor ours for our spouses, but I wouldn't say that either of us were Poly.

Does that make sense?

I'm not sure if I should muzzle my humor or what.

Hell no.

I think they are close -- the marcelling and the fingerwaves.

I'm not sure if I should muzzle my humor or what.

Muzzling would be a whole 'nother thing...

I'm more basing my definition of Poly on intentions, not neccessarily actions. Meaning, I love my friend Chris. If he and I were to find ourselves not married, we would probably be together. But I don't intend to have sex with him. It doesn't change my level of feelings for him, nor his for me, nor ours for our spouses, but I wouldn't say that either of us were Poly.

Does that make sense?

Yes it does, but take this in the case of being bisexual again. If a bisexual man ends up in a relationship with a woman, he doesn't cease being bisexual. If he's monogamous then he won't be having sex with other men, or have the intent to have sex with other men, but he is still bisexual.

Yeah, I think we were defining the nature of poly relationships.

If someone says they're Poly or Bi or Gay or whatever you just say "ok" because they're really the only person who could possibly make that call. I don't think anyone here disagrees with that.

Noise, I agree with you 100%. But the definition of a polyamorus relationship that has been given seems to make a lot of people who don't orient themselves a poly, poly.

I don't deny that poly is an orientation or that someone who orients themself as poly isn't if they aren't in any relationship(s).

If someone says they're Poly or Bi or Gay or whatever you just say "ok" because they're really the only person who could possibly make that call.

Unless they're Willow. (Sorry, still a bit of a sore topic for this bi?/gay? girl.)

Also having a SHITTY day. Pity me, pat my hair.