River: They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see the sky and they remember what they are. Mal: Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

'Safe'


Natter 54: Right here, dammit.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Oct 09, 2007 2:08:44 pm PDT #5866 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oy. Next couple of days are going to be tough.

Wednesday: Call at 6:30 to 8. Meetings 8:30 to 3:30 (with a conference call squeezed in during lunch). 5:30 flight to NJ. Get to hotel at 10.

Thursday: Meetings in NJ 7:30 to 11:30. 2:30 flight back to Chicago. 6 PM work event. Then meetings again 8:30 to 12:30 on Fri.

Then in theory I get to take the rest of the day off, but since I just got landed with a big project due next Friday (in addition to the one already due next Thursday), that ain't likely gonna happen.


Kat - Oct 09, 2007 2:09:23 pm PDT #5867 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

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Doves latest self-esteem campaign. thoughts?


Daisy Jane - Oct 09, 2007 2:16:56 pm PDT #5868 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Doves latest self-esteem campaign. thoughts?

I wish I could hear it at work. Seeing all of those images-their sameness-is a little grotesque to me. All of those different, yet exactly alike, fix-your-obvious-aesthetic-problem with this pill talking heads creeped me right out.


Burrell - Oct 09, 2007 2:22:26 pm PDT #5869 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Well, hmm. I do think the issue is real, but I also think that addressing it requires more than just talking to your daughter.


Daisy Jane - Oct 09, 2007 2:28:04 pm PDT #5870 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Well, hmm. I do think the issue is real, but I also think that addressing it requires more than just talking to your daughter.

Sure, but Dove has to pick an angle to attack it from, and that's probably the one that fits best with its company mission.


§ ita § - Oct 09, 2007 2:28:07 pm PDT #5871 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have mostly a yeah-and? reaction to the campaign. Women can be hard on themselves and each other when it comes to looks.

Lather, rinse, repeat.


Burrell - Oct 09, 2007 2:32:55 pm PDT #5872 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Yeah, DJ I don't mean to imply it's Dove's job to solve the problem, just that really? all the ad offers is reassurance to the mom/consumer that of she wants her daughter to believe she's beautiful just the way she is.

Far more disturbing to me is the Nolita campaign that uses an anorexic model posing in the nude to what? Raise awareness of anorexia and sell clothes? Does that work? I'm not even sure if I should post the link, the billboard is that disturbing.


Daisy Jane - Oct 09, 2007 2:33:18 pm PDT #5873 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Women can be hard on themselves and each other when it comes to looks.

I think a lot of those images are why though. This is what we're told we need to look like to not end up alone, to get ahead, to be feminine.

Whether or not it's actually a load of crap doesn't matter a whole lot.

ETA: Burrell, I think it does help though. I don't just mean telling their daughters "you're pretty just the way you are" (which granted, I can't hear the thing, so I could be talking out my ass), I mean talking about why pretty=thin, pale and adolecent and at the risk of sounding like a humorless feminist, what it means to live in a patriarchal society.


Jesse - Oct 09, 2007 2:36:21 pm PDT #5874 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I do think it's important to teach kids (not just girls) that what they are seeing on TV is designed the way it is to get them to believe certain things -- whether it's about thinness or anything else.

Oy. Next couple of days are going to be tough.

Geez, seriously.


Steph L. - Oct 09, 2007 2:42:15 pm PDT #5875 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Far more disturbing to me is the Nolita campaign that uses an anorexic model posing in the nude to what?

I read an article about that campaign that says the woman is not a model, but is a 27-year-old who has had anorexia for 14 years, and appeared on the billboard to "demonstrate how dangerous the disease is." t edit I should note that I have NO idea if that's true or not; it's just what the article (in the UK Daily Mail, IIRC) reported.

I imagine that Nolita thinks that they'll win points for seeming to care about how fashion images can contribute to an atmosphere that makes eating disorders common. Like, "Oh, I'll buy their $75 t-shirt [or whatever] because they CARE about me, the consumer, and don't want me to feel bad about myself just because their models are half a foot taller and 80 pounds lighter than me!"