Lorne: You know what they say about people who need people. Connor: They're the luckiest people in the world. Lorne: You been sneaking peeks at my Streisand collection again, Kiddo? Connor: Just kinda popped out.

'Time Bomb'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


EpicTangent - Jan 19, 2010 1:58:30 pm PST #4721 of 11831
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

Thanks for asking this, Typo. I was arguing with my TV on this same point.


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2010 2:02:02 pm PST #4722 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I'm wondering if this is enough info for a definitive answer?


Vortex - Jan 19, 2010 3:38:57 pm PST #4723 of 11831
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The Lawyer got permission from the client to search the clients house in case there was incriminating evidence, and the search team found the videotapes.

Hmm, it's a bit analagous to the client giving the attorney the murder weapon. I'd think that it's a case where if you have to worry about whether there is privilege, assume it attaches. As I recall, the only exceptions to privilege (and this varies by jurisdiction) are if there is if the attorney believes that there is imminent harm to another person.


Stephanie - Jan 19, 2010 3:41:48 pm PST #4724 of 11831
Trust my rage

I can't believe I am taking the bar again. Anyway, I think that if the lawyer had found a gun, he would have to turn it over. So a videotape is an object, not a communication (or so the prosecutor would argue). At least that's how I would write a bar question on the topic. (of course, you could also argue that the tape was a communication somehow. Although why a clent would ask an attorney to search his house when guilty, I don't know.)

eta: not any gun but as Vortex says, the murder weapon gun.


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2010 3:48:03 pm PST #4725 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Without going into detail, the client was incredibly foolish and entitled. As I understand it, this is not unknown with real life criminal defendants. Basically, I think the defendant assume his attorney would find and destroy any incriminating evidence.


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2010 4:09:35 pm PST #4726 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

But just to get it straight, the murder weapon is different? If you have a gun or knife with which a client killed the victim, confidentiality does apply, and the defense attorney is NOT required to turn it into the prosecutor?


Stephanie - Jan 19, 2010 4:32:04 pm PST #4727 of 11831
Trust my rage

Oh no, I think you have to turn in the murder weapon. Or at least I know you can't hold it in your safe and claim ACP protects you from turning it over.


msbelle - Jan 19, 2010 6:14:40 pm PST #4728 of 11831
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

song playing over the end of Castle? anyone?


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2010 8:12:08 pm PST #4729 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Oh no, I think you have to turn in the murder weapon. Or at least I know you can't hold it in your safe and claim ACP protects you from turning it over.

So if the client is stupid enough to videotape himself committing a crime and then gives the videotapes along with a bunch of other stuff for the purpose of your avoiding being surprised by the prosecution having evidence you did not know exists, there is no ACP? And you do have to turn it over? Show got the obligation to conceal its existence wrong?


Calli - Jan 20, 2010 5:01:17 am PST #4730 of 11831
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

So if the client is stupid enough to videotape himself committing a crime and then gives the videotapes along with a bunch of other stuff for the purpose of your avoiding being surprised by the prosecution having evidence you did not know exists, there is no ACP?

I think a client that stupid needs to be in protective custody to save him from impaling himself on his own butter knives.