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Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Stephanie - Jan 19, 2010 3:41:48 pm PST #4724 of 11831
Trust my rage

I can't believe I am taking the bar again. Anyway, I think that if the lawyer had found a gun, he would have to turn it over. So a videotape is an object, not a communication (or so the prosecutor would argue). At least that's how I would write a bar question on the topic. (of course, you could also argue that the tape was a communication somehow. Although why a clent would ask an attorney to search his house when guilty, I don't know.)

eta: not any gun but as Vortex says, the murder weapon gun.


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2010 3:48:03 pm PST #4725 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Without going into detail, the client was incredibly foolish and entitled. As I understand it, this is not unknown with real life criminal defendants. Basically, I think the defendant assume his attorney would find and destroy any incriminating evidence.


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2010 4:09:35 pm PST #4726 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

But just to get it straight, the murder weapon is different? If you have a gun or knife with which a client killed the victim, confidentiality does apply, and the defense attorney is NOT required to turn it into the prosecutor?


Stephanie - Jan 19, 2010 4:32:04 pm PST #4727 of 11831
Trust my rage

Oh no, I think you have to turn in the murder weapon. Or at least I know you can't hold it in your safe and claim ACP protects you from turning it over.


msbelle - Jan 19, 2010 6:14:40 pm PST #4728 of 11831
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

song playing over the end of Castle? anyone?


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2010 8:12:08 pm PST #4729 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Oh no, I think you have to turn in the murder weapon. Or at least I know you can't hold it in your safe and claim ACP protects you from turning it over.

So if the client is stupid enough to videotape himself committing a crime and then gives the videotapes along with a bunch of other stuff for the purpose of your avoiding being surprised by the prosecution having evidence you did not know exists, there is no ACP? And you do have to turn it over? Show got the obligation to conceal its existence wrong?


Calli - Jan 20, 2010 5:01:17 am PST #4730 of 11831
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

So if the client is stupid enough to videotape himself committing a crime and then gives the videotapes along with a bunch of other stuff for the purpose of your avoiding being surprised by the prosecution having evidence you did not know exists, there is no ACP?

I think a client that stupid needs to be in protective custody to save him from impaling himself on his own butter knives.


Fred Pete - Jan 20, 2010 5:51:50 am PST #4731 of 11831
Ann, that's a ferret.

I remember a case from law school ethics class that may have something to do with TB's question.

Suspect told his lawyers where two bodies could be found. Lawyers went out, looked at and photographed the bodies, didn't inform the prosecutors.

The end result was, the court found that the lawyers acted ethically (though at least one was found guilty of something -- possibly desecrating a corpse -- because he'd moved one of the bodies). However, lawyers' careers were pretty much destroyed due to public outcry.

Here's an article about the case.


brenda m - Jan 20, 2010 6:04:51 am PST #4732 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Canadians may remember - didn't they find some of Bernardo and Holmolka's tapes hidden in the ceiling panels of their lawyer's office?


le nubian - Jan 20, 2010 6:13:17 am PST #4733 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

L&O (I think) had a case where the lawyer had possession of the murder weapon, but he sealed it and had it locked in some room in the courthouse so he could claim he wasn't in possession of the weapon but could relinquish it if asked.

Typo Boy, I know the show you are talking about. I thought the whole storyline was fucking ridiculous. I was gripped by the plot, but man they stretched credulity into silly putty.