No power in the 'verse can stop me.

River ,'War Stories'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


msbelle - Jan 19, 2010 6:14:40 pm PST #4728 of 11831
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

song playing over the end of Castle? anyone?


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2010 8:12:08 pm PST #4729 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Oh no, I think you have to turn in the murder weapon. Or at least I know you can't hold it in your safe and claim ACP protects you from turning it over.

So if the client is stupid enough to videotape himself committing a crime and then gives the videotapes along with a bunch of other stuff for the purpose of your avoiding being surprised by the prosecution having evidence you did not know exists, there is no ACP? And you do have to turn it over? Show got the obligation to conceal its existence wrong?


Calli - Jan 20, 2010 5:01:17 am PST #4730 of 11831
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

So if the client is stupid enough to videotape himself committing a crime and then gives the videotapes along with a bunch of other stuff for the purpose of your avoiding being surprised by the prosecution having evidence you did not know exists, there is no ACP?

I think a client that stupid needs to be in protective custody to save him from impaling himself on his own butter knives.


Fred Pete - Jan 20, 2010 5:51:50 am PST #4731 of 11831
Ann, that's a ferret.

I remember a case from law school ethics class that may have something to do with TB's question.

Suspect told his lawyers where two bodies could be found. Lawyers went out, looked at and photographed the bodies, didn't inform the prosecutors.

The end result was, the court found that the lawyers acted ethically (though at least one was found guilty of something -- possibly desecrating a corpse -- because he'd moved one of the bodies). However, lawyers' careers were pretty much destroyed due to public outcry.

Here's an article about the case.


brenda m - Jan 20, 2010 6:04:51 am PST #4732 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Canadians may remember - didn't they find some of Bernardo and Holmolka's tapes hidden in the ceiling panels of their lawyer's office?


le nubian - Jan 20, 2010 6:13:17 am PST #4733 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

L&O (I think) had a case where the lawyer had possession of the murder weapon, but he sealed it and had it locked in some room in the courthouse so he could claim he wasn't in possession of the weapon but could relinquish it if asked.

Typo Boy, I know the show you are talking about. I thought the whole storyline was fucking ridiculous. I was gripped by the plot, but man they stretched credulity into silly putty.


§ ita § - Jan 20, 2010 6:19:27 am PST #4734 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That Frank Armani story is incredibly difficult, and one of the many reasons I couldn't imagine being in criminal law.

L&O did an episode where the killer told his lawyer where all the bodies were, and the prosecution knew the lawyer knew and tried to indict him too as a conspirator or somesuch. They failed to pierce privilege.


Sparky1 - Jan 20, 2010 6:23:53 am PST #4735 of 11831
Librarian Warlord

song playing over the end of Castle? anyone?

Pearl Jam, The End.


msbelle - Jan 20, 2010 6:27:58 am PST #4736 of 11831
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

thank you. I was starting to venture into the ABC Castle forums for an answer.


Liese S. - Jan 20, 2010 7:51:51 am PST #4737 of 11831
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I can`t handle Beckett`s hurt. Castle is my light show! I liked when she said, no, I can`t handle this. And I liked the deepening of the relationships all around.