But I understand. You gave up everything you had to find me. And you found me broken. It's hard for you.

River ,'Safe'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


sumi - Oct 04, 2007 4:58:28 am PDT #170 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

I think she should throw over Mr. Crews Senior for Mr. Crews Junior - they'd be a very pretty couple.

What older redhead can they get to play Charlie's dad?


Juliebird - Oct 04, 2007 3:48:26 pm PDT #171 of 11831
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think she should throw over Mr. Crews Senior for Mr. Crews Junior - they'd be a very pretty couple.

What beautiful babies they would have!

What older redhead can they get to play Charlie's dad?

I don't know why, and he's not a redhead, but Rutger Hauer just sprang to mind.

Ack, I didn't realize that ze internets ate half my post!

What did I say? Something about Crews' ex-partner and Reese's behavior at the swimming pool.

The final scene with the ex-partner Robert (Bobby) Stark and Crews, after Crews learns that the wife did NOT invite him... creeped me right the f*ck out. After all was said and done, I realized that between this ep and Bobby's attitude in the documentary footage, that Bobby just may possibly be honestly trying to reach out to reconnect with Charlie. That Bobby may just be too proud to say "I'm sorry, I was wrong, even if I don't know how I could have done anything differently without bending the law, forgive me for doubting you." Which is just all kinds of awwww if it's true. Because, like I said above, what Crews does NOT need is more conspiracy, poor guy. If it's true, I kinda admire Bobby. Even though Crews was his partner and possibly friend, he didn't break the law on his behalf. He also didn't have faith in him, but that's in opposition to upholding the law, and if the evidence pointed Crews' way, and if that evidence wasn't tampered with by Bobby himself... but then, what squicks me is that Bobby stole items out of the evidence room (the gun and badge, I'm assuming). If Bobby did that now, what did he do then? Or is it technically not evidence anymore?

Reese and the pool incident: at first I was a bit pissed that she didn't jump in after her partner, and then realized that their partnership is still new, and she still isn't sold on him, and isn't at a point where she'd dive in the water for him. I can appreciate that. But I'm still ticked that all those cops and security officers just stared at the water for a good thirty seconds before going into rescue the groom and Charlie. That just seemed negligent on everybody's part.

And shallowly, I feel deeply deprived of seeing Crews being pulled all limp and vulnerable out of the water and Reese doing mouth to mouth. And not just standing over the half-strangled-and-then-electrocuted Charlie and calling his name in the hopes that it would revive him.

(Which reminds me of a gripe from K-ville and Cobb's flashbacks when he is supposedly being dragged down by his buddy. Because what I actually saw was Cobb holding his friend down under water, not the panicked-grip of a guy trying to keeping from drowning and drowning his would-be rescuer (Cobb) in the process. The friend wasn't even touching Cobb from what I could see. So either that's a big goof, or Cobb is lying and killed his cellmate deliberate-like, and not out of self-preservation).


DXMachina - Oct 04, 2007 4:29:11 pm PDT #172 of 11831
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Which reminds me of a gripe from K-ville and Cobb's flashbacks when he is supposedly being dragged down by his buddy. Because what I actually saw was Cobb holding his friend down under water, not the panicked-grip of a guy trying to keeping from drowning and drowning his would-be rescuer (Cobb) in the process. The friend wasn't even touching Cobb from what I could see. So either that's a big goof, or Cobb is lying and killed his cellmate deliberate-like, and not out of self-preservation

I think it's pretty clear that Cobb did kill his cellmate, but I read it that it was the only way Cobb thought he could stop the cellmate from dragging Cobb down with him.


Juliebird - Oct 04, 2007 4:43:38 pm PDT #173 of 11831
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think it's pretty clear that Cobb did kill his cellmate, but I read it that it was the only way Cobb could stop the cellmate from dragging Cobb down with him.

I don't disagree one jot.

But the distinction I was trying to make between this and what I saw in one of the flashbacks is that, like when my dog is panicking in the water and trying to climb on top of me for safety and thereby forcing me under and threatening my own safety (which has happened), what one of the flashbacks showed was that the cellmate wasn't clutching onto Cobb in a desperate attempt to save his life, but rather Cobb just simply holding his cellmates head down under water. There was no desperate, panicked grasping on the cellmates part in that brief scene.

Which may require handwavium on my part: There's what I understand to be the situation (being that Cobb had to choose between killing his friend or dying with him) and what was filmed (which was Cobb smothering his friend when it was clear that he wasn't being hindered or pulled down in any way).

I like the guilt and necessity that the understood situation implies, and the wonderful potential for future stories regarding that. And I think it really fuels Cobb's desire to change his life and do good. Not just for surviving the storm, but for surviving at the cost of his friend. Which is why I hope that the cellmate's GF and family come into the picture at some point. So that the change in Cobb's life isn't just a general thing, but also specific to what he did to get that second-chance at life.


brenda m - Oct 08, 2007 4:43:59 pm PDT #174 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Hey, is Tim working on K-Ville? Because Allyson Beatrice just turned up as one of the vics on this week's episode.


DXMachina - Oct 08, 2007 4:51:17 pm PDT #175 of 11831
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

He's been listed as a "consulting producer."


Frankenbuddha - Oct 08, 2007 5:35:57 pm PDT #176 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Hey, is Tim working on K-Ville? Because Allyson Beatrice just turned up as one of the vics on this week's episode.

So he's killed Allyson twice now? Interesting side claim to fame there.


brenda m - Oct 08, 2007 5:39:36 pm PDT #177 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Hee. I think she wasn't actually the vic, but definitely one of the characters. And then (as I noted in Natter), Carlos [memfault] from Serenity (the episode, not the movie) showed up as Mr. Beatrice, so at that point I was pretty sure.


sumi - Oct 09, 2007 4:30:07 am PDT #178 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

She was the Vic, wasn't she?

And Carlos Jacott was her killer - Phil Beatrice.

And in a way she died twice in the episode since she ran away from him, he claimed that she was dead and then he actually killed her when he found her again in NO.


brenda m - Oct 09, 2007 4:34:15 am PDT #179 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh, right right. I got confused between her and the (current) wife. I wasn't paying very good attention.