Aren't they something. They're like butterflies, or little pieces of wrapping paper blowing around.

Kaylee ,'Shindig'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Juliebird - Oct 04, 2007 4:43:38 pm PDT #173 of 11831
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think it's pretty clear that Cobb did kill his cellmate, but I read it that it was the only way Cobb could stop the cellmate from dragging Cobb down with him.

I don't disagree one jot.

But the distinction I was trying to make between this and what I saw in one of the flashbacks is that, like when my dog is panicking in the water and trying to climb on top of me for safety and thereby forcing me under and threatening my own safety (which has happened), what one of the flashbacks showed was that the cellmate wasn't clutching onto Cobb in a desperate attempt to save his life, but rather Cobb just simply holding his cellmates head down under water. There was no desperate, panicked grasping on the cellmates part in that brief scene.

Which may require handwavium on my part: There's what I understand to be the situation (being that Cobb had to choose between killing his friend or dying with him) and what was filmed (which was Cobb smothering his friend when it was clear that he wasn't being hindered or pulled down in any way).

I like the guilt and necessity that the understood situation implies, and the wonderful potential for future stories regarding that. And I think it really fuels Cobb's desire to change his life and do good. Not just for surviving the storm, but for surviving at the cost of his friend. Which is why I hope that the cellmate's GF and family come into the picture at some point. So that the change in Cobb's life isn't just a general thing, but also specific to what he did to get that second-chance at life.


brenda m - Oct 08, 2007 4:43:59 pm PDT #174 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Hey, is Tim working on K-Ville? Because Allyson Beatrice just turned up as one of the vics on this week's episode.


DXMachina - Oct 08, 2007 4:51:17 pm PDT #175 of 11831
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

He's been listed as a "consulting producer."


Frankenbuddha - Oct 08, 2007 5:35:57 pm PDT #176 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Hey, is Tim working on K-Ville? Because Allyson Beatrice just turned up as one of the vics on this week's episode.

So he's killed Allyson twice now? Interesting side claim to fame there.


brenda m - Oct 08, 2007 5:39:36 pm PDT #177 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Hee. I think she wasn't actually the vic, but definitely one of the characters. And then (as I noted in Natter), Carlos [memfault] from Serenity (the episode, not the movie) showed up as Mr. Beatrice, so at that point I was pretty sure.


sumi - Oct 09, 2007 4:30:07 am PDT #178 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

She was the Vic, wasn't she?

And Carlos Jacott was her killer - Phil Beatrice.

And in a way she died twice in the episode since she ran away from him, he claimed that she was dead and then he actually killed her when he found her again in NO.


brenda m - Oct 09, 2007 4:34:15 am PDT #179 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh, right right. I got confused between her and the (current) wife. I wasn't paying very good attention.


sumi - Oct 09, 2007 4:36:08 am PDT #180 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

Also, she was the owner of a rocking club and secretly gave away lots of money to people in need after the storm. (A shout-out to Allyson's fundraising fu?)


Frankenbuddha - Oct 09, 2007 3:06:29 pm PDT #181 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

OK, just taking a guess here, but anyone else think BONES is going to go for the bestiality subculture here?


Frankenbuddha - Oct 09, 2007 3:21:15 pm PDT #182 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

OK, so not bestiality, but all this pony talk makes me expect Vamp!Willow to be walking in any minute.