Did not look like any of the characters noticed that what he gave up on was raping the woman he had obsessed about. It was an "unhealthy relationship". It really did not seem to occur to anyone that it was worse than that.
Thank you, Gar. The show made the entire issue about Wes, and avoided dealing with the fact that he'd been raping Hope for a month. It wasn't "Oh dear God I've raped a woman, how awful for her!" -- it was "Oh, this makes me uncomfortable and now she's killing people." Even her desperation at the end was caused by the way Wes' wish had taken away her free will. The story was about Wes and his desires, and barely acknowledged the impact on Hope except in the way he noticed it.
Everyone else in the episode remembered what had happened while the wishes were active--except for Hope. Because if she had remembered it, the show would have had to deal with it. So they cheated, and gave her a mind-wipe.
I like Ted Raimi as much as anyone, but the proper response in this kind of situation is more like what we got in the Trio arc on Buffy, not this.
Everyone else in the episode remembered what had happened while the wishes were active--except for Hope.
Were there any other humans who were the subject of a wish? I think the people who MADE wishes remembered, but no one else was the subject of a wish.
but no one else was the subject of a wish.
::hands out graduate degree in handwavium mechanics::
For me, the main plot *was* about Wes, as an object lesson in how wishing goes wrong. And I thought they accomplished that.
Rape is wrong. Wrong like a really wrong thing. But this isn't Law and Order or CSI, the relative "reality" of those shows aside. Supernatural isn't exploring real-life crime, and presenting it mostly realistically. It's using paranormal storylines as metaphors. It's just as awful for me to watch some random guy swallowing razor blades as it is to think that this woman had no idea what she was doing for a month, including having sex with a man it's clear she didn't even know.
But there's an apples and oranges thing at work for me here -- it's the *idea* I'm watching for, that metaphor of watching what you wish for, or how love can be dangerously obsessive, or anger taking root so deeply it manifests (not to mention the ongoing story of Sam and Dean). If this had been Law and Order, and they showed a woman who had been kidnapped and raped for a month, the point of the plot would be to find the perpetrator and punish him, as well as show the traumatic consequences to the victim.
Here, for me, it was abundantly clear that what Wes had done was awful, for him as well as for Hope. The *idea* that wishing for something might turn out horribly wrong came across loud and clear. Honestly, I didn't need Show to then cover how awful it was for Hope. I'm not sure what purpose it would serve in the context of this 42-minute plot. That's ... another show, in my mind.
But I don't think Show was patently putting a seal of approval on rape, either. Were they conveniently glossing it over by having her not remember? I guess you can look at it that way, if you're looking at it from a realistic point of view. But the emotional punch for me worked the way I assume Show wanted it to.
::hands out graduate degree in handwavium mechanics::
I'm not trying to excuse the storyline. I'm just saying that's a plausible reason as to why she's the only person involved who has no memory of the events.
...I think I'm just gonna go over here now.
Sam was the subject of a wish. Granted, less of a lasting one, but it was undone. Though he appeared to perhaps recall. Magic 8 ball says reply hazy, ask again later.
I did get the impression that we were supposed to be skeeved. But that they either failed to carry things to the logical conclusion. And it would have been satisfying to have her punch the crap out of him.
I did get the impression that we were supposed to be skeeved.
I was skeeved. I still felt sorry for him, too, though, in the end. I guess I just don't feel like I need to look at her trauma under a microscope to get that it was dead wrong.
But that they either failed to carry things to the logical conclusion. And it would have been satisfying to have her punch the crap out of him.
Yup. Everything could have been (mostly) solved to my satisfaction by her reacting in horror and telling him to stay away from her/asking him how he could have done that/punching the hell out of him.
Actually, no. I wanted her to react in horror, ask him how he could have done that, and then tell him to stay away from her. Because then Wes has the double whammy of knowing that he hurt her and never being able to see her again. Bring the pain, mofos.
But the emotional punch for me worked the way I assume Show wanted it to.
I'm not trying to excuse the storyline. I'm just saying that's a plausible reason as to why she's the only person involved who has no memory of the events.
I understand the need to figure out the possible logic behind a mystical act, because, heaven knows, I'm extremely literal. In fact, I like your explanation. But, emotionally, I'm where Amy's at. The show is about metaphor. I try to keep that in mind when I watch the show and not look for anything other than what I see in the show. I used to look at Buffy like it had all the answers to the universe in it and after season 6, I just gave up. I don't do that with TV shows anymore, at least, not purposely. I'm sure I slip, but I really don't want to.
